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26 minutes ago, jddevel said:

May have answered my own question as the wife will more than likely be with me and if I listen to her all will be well as she often says !I told you so"!!!!!

 

Sat in a hotel breakfast room, a couple on the next table and ‘he’ gets up from the table and starts to walk out, ‘she’ calls out “where are you going”, to which he replies “I don’t know, you havn’t told me yet” – Had to smile.

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Apart from a selection of tools ...........

I would say as a minimum you should carry a set of fuel filters and belts . 

A friend had a newly fitted belt fail on its first outing this year.

Until you can establish with use and daily checks that your engine consumes no oil you would not wish to be without top up engine oil.

I have a full set of engine filters on board  as it made financial  sense to double up when ordering them last time I serviced the engines.

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2 minutes ago, MartynG said:

Apart from a selection of tools ...........

I would say as a minimum you should carry a set of fuel filters and belts . 

A friend had a newly fitted belt fail on its first outing this year.

Until you can establish with use and daily checks that your engine consumes no oil you would not wish to be without top up engine oil.

I have a full set of engine filters on board  as it made financial  sense to double up when ordering them last time I serviced the engines.

Thats all well and good carrying the spares but you do also need to know what to do with them if you need them.

We know several boat owners with a worrying lack of common sense or kinowledge on how their boat works.

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On 05/11/2017 at 11:16, Taslim said:

 

Back on topic.  Modern engine in newish boat= Halfords tool kit, duct tape and rescue insurance.  Older engine and boat= Everything + the kitchen sink BUT there is no point toating tools or kit that you don't know how to use properly.

There is a point in carrying tools you don't know how to use, should a good Samaritan stop to help, they may be able to use your tools.

 

Bod

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8 hours ago, Bod said:

There is a point in carrying tools you don't know how to use, should a good Samaritan stop to help, they may be able to use your tools.

 

Bod

So, if you don't know how to use the tools, what's the chances of them being the right ones? :)

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5 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

But if you have purchased the specific tool for the removal of left handed grumble thruster you would expect it to  be correct.

I see your point Alan, but  would someone who didn't know how to use tools be savvy enough, not only to select a comprehensive set of the correct tools for the fittings on his boat in the first place, but also to have the foresight be carrying such specialist tools 'should a good Samaritan stop to help'?  (Which is the suggestion I was responding to) :D

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14 minutes ago, Sea Dog said:

I see your point Alan, but  would someone who didn't know how to use tools be savvy enough, not only to select a comprehensive set of the correct tools for the fittings on his boat in the first place, but also to have the foresight be carrying such specialist tools 'should a good Samaritan stop to help'?  (Which is the suggestion I was responding to) :D

I was thinking more about breaking down and calling in a 'mechanic' who may not have the specific 'specialist' part or tool to fit it,. I would rather have both in the spares-box than having to wait days for them to be ordered / arrive.

There is a huge variety of even simple things like engine-mounts so having the correct replacement set on the boat could make the difference.

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35 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

I was thinking more about breaking down and calling in a 'mechanic' who may not have the specific 'specialist' part or tool to fit it,. I would rather have both in the spares-box than having to wait days for them to be ordered / arrive.

There is a huge variety of even simple things like engine-mounts so having the correct replacement set on the boat could make the difference.

 

One can fill one's boat up with spares and tools 'just in case', and they'll never be the right parts needed for the failure yet to be predicted.

Trying to predict the parts that will be needed for breakdowns yet to happen and buy them in advance, is a fool's errand  

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11 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

One can fill one's boat up with spares and tools 'just in case', and they'll never be the right parts needed for the failure yet to be predicted.

Trying to predict the parts that will be needed for breakdowns yet to happen and buy them in advance, is a fool's errand  

Each  to their own.

I guess the difference is that my early experiences of boating were on the sea, when you are 50 miles out, you cannot just drift into the side, get off and take a taxi to Midland Chandlers - It maybe even pre-dates that, as a Scout we were taught to 'be prepared.

You can never predict ever possible breakdown, but covering a high percentage of them makes sense (to me).

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1 minute ago, Alan de Enfield said:

Each  to their own.

I guess the difference is that my early experiences of boating were on the sea, when you are 50 miles out, you cannot just drift into the side, get off and take a taxi to Midland Chandlers - It maybe even pre-dates that, as a Scout we were taught to 'be prepared.

You can never predict ever possible breakdown, but covering a high percentage of them makes sense (to me).

 

Well yes, did I not mention this difference earlier? Why fill your boat up with spares when MC is a short wade away?

But I'm curious about the bit I highlighted. Sea boats may be different but I defy anyone to predict the parts needed for a high percentage of their breakdowns. What parts did you take? How many breakdowns were you getting anyway? 

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1 hour ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

One can fill one's boat up with spares and tools 'just in case', and they'll never be the right parts needed for the failure yet to be predicted.

Trying to predict the parts that will be needed for breakdowns yet to happen and buy them in advance, is a fool's errand  

I had this with an Operations Manager at a site where I installed 2 x 2000kVA generating sets in an "N+1" configuration.

He wanted me to buy £50k's worth of spares "just in case", which would have out me over my budget. I refused so he escalated It to his director.

You should have seen his face, when at the meeting with his director I explained to the director that he had every possible spare part necessary by having a spare generator set and the director was forced to agree with my logic! :D

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On 05/11/2017 at 16:36, Scholar Gypsy said:

* dentists mirror. With a torch this is very handy for looking round corners. 

In the Air Force we called that a 'shufty scope'.

It pairs very well with a magnet on a stick, for picking up dropped screws or nuts in the engine bay.

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1 hour ago, mross said:

don't think it a waste to carry spare fan belts

I remember getting from just outside London to Ramsgate in the early hours of the morning using a pyjama cord as a replacement fan belt on a mini. Couldn`t happen now I don`t wear pyjamas!!!!

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1 hour ago, jddevel said:

I remember getting from just outside London to Ramsgate in the early hours of the morning using a pyjama cord as a replacement fan belt on a mini. Couldn`t happen now I don`t wear pyjamas!!!!

A ladies stocking used to work (I suppose that is a sexist remark now) I am not sure how a pair of tights would work though.

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50 minutes ago, artleknock said:

A ladies stocking used to work (I suppose that is a sexist remark now) I am not sure how a pair of tights would work though.

They make too big of a knot and go bang-bang-bang-bang...

Well, fishnets do anyway. 

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On 07/11/2017 at 13:18, mross said:

I don't think it a waste to carry spare fan belts.  Hoses too, even if it's a set of 'used but good'.  And you don't need to be a mechanic to fit a new hose clip.

 

When did your boat last break down and you fixed it by replacing the vee belt then? 

Gwarn admit it, you never have!!

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17 hours ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

When did your boat last break down and you fixed it by replacing the vee belt then? 

Gwarn admit it, you never have!!

Not us personally but a friend had his water pump belt go which knocked out his power steering belt, supercharger belt and alternator belt on the tidal Trent. Fortunately he was in Gainsborough at the time so could moor on the pontoon and get the belts replaced. Unfortunately for him there was an aegir that day so the back of his boat got quite wet as it passed :blink:

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20 hours ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

When did your boat last break down and you fixed it by replacing the vee belt then? 

Gwarn admit it, you never have!!

A friends brand new belt failed this summer,  despite  being a genuine branded item

So it can happen.

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