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1 minute ago, Sea Dog said:

So, in real life, many folk's No1 quoted reason to select a pottie over a pump out, i.e. what happens when you're frozen in, turns out to be tosh?

 

Not really. As I said earlier, he can keep on buying new empty cassettes until the freeze finishes.

The best solution to Big Freezes however is to have a pump-out, fill it up once the freeze starts, then once full buy a Porta-Potti and keep on buying cassettes for is as necessary.

Then empty the whole lot on termination of the freeze.

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1 hour ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

Not really. As I said earlier, he can keep on buying new empty cassettes until the freeze finishes.

The best solution to Big Freezes however is to have a pump-out, fill it up once the freeze starts, then once full buy a Porta-Potti and keep on buying cassettes for is as necessary.

Then empty the whole lot on termination of the freeze.

keeping buying new cassettes is fine if you are either near somewhere that sells them or you have transport to get there. I would imaigine that if you are  frozen in, it is quite possible that neither of these conditions is met. 

having used both systems, a pump out every time for me :-) 

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I wonder what sort of toilets they use in the spaceships whirling around the planet. Cassettes wouldn't last long. There must be tons and tons of poo and pee flying around in orbit if sea type of lav's are in use. I believe there's a spaceship up there, one called   ''Sky Lav'' a kind of mobile public convenience I suppose for the gastronaughts to stop at and use, but how is it emptied. There are loads of folk there who spend weeks and weeks up there researching and studying things, what do they do. Is there a travelling pump out service operated by someone like they do on canals.

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the big freeze when was this then ..i must have been in hibernation .been boating nearly 19 years now ...yes in that time we have had some freeze overs .but nothing to stop us in our tracks ...i think the last mayor freeze was in the 80s ...but like i say i can not remember ..im sure some one will put me right on that one ,any  minute................................................now 

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I was frozen in at the bottom Tardebigge for 10 days a couple or 3 years ago. Lots of the country was more badly affected at the time iirc from posts on here. Had to abandon the ascent as the lock work window closed, so we had to reverse a mile and a half and 5 locks to wind at Black Prince's yard. Went up the Severn, headed north up the Shroppie and had to turn around at Brewood as it started to freeze again.

It's not that big an issue, is it, but my point is that being frozen in is a hackneyed reason for rubbishing pump outs in favour of cassettes. Personal choice I get, but that particular reason doesn't appear to stack up.

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1 hour ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

I remember being frozen in at T&K marina in January for about three weeks, about 9 or 10 years ago.

I remember it clearly as I'd only just bought this boat and I couldn't get on and use it!

I remember 1963 (IIRC) when the sea froze off the Wirral. That was cold! The canals must have been bad.

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3 hours ago, Sea Dog said:

I was frozen in at the bottom Tardebigge for 10 days a couple or 3 years ago. Lots of the country was more badly affected at the time iirc from posts on here. Had to abandon the ascent as the lock work window closed, so we had to reverse a mile and a half and 5 locks to wind at Black Prince's yard. Went up the Severn, headed north up the Shroppie and had to turn around at Brewood as it started to freeze again.

It's not that big an issue, is it, but my point is that being frozen in is a hackneyed reason for rubbishing pump outs in favour of cassettes. Personal choice I get, but that particular reason doesn't appear to stack up.

It is really as you say just a personal choice, for me one leak or block up in a pump out system would be one too many aside from the fact i have never felt comfortable about the thought of having a tank full of unpleasantness under the bed ... so for me a cassette with spare tanks should i need them is the ideal solution ... yes it means i have to empty my tank on a regular basis and some elsan points are less than pleasant, but at least its away from my boat.... as for getting to and from sanitary points its no different than having to go and get coal or shopping should you get caught out in a freeze.

The other obvious point is the fact the weather is far more accurate than it ever used to be my current app predicts the temperature hourly in advance up to a week ahead and is very rarely more than a degree out, so if you were to get frozen in in the middle of nowhere its more likely to be down to bad planning. 

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On ‎30‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 13:36, Sea Dog said:

And if you're frozen in between emptying points?

This is a genuine question by the way.  As I said above, I've been frozen in for 10 days nowhere near a sanitary station. It's being frozen in which is often flagged as the big advantage of the cassette over the pump out, but no-one has chosen to answer this particular query.

That of course is a strong point in favour of composting or even incinerator loos. One of the problems for those is the space required for the installation and for storing the output)

On ‎05‎/‎11‎/‎2017 at 20:06, Bewildered said:

A long walk pushing a wheelbarrow or pulling a trolley with a couple of cassettes on. Or if near friends who drive ask them to take you and your cassettes to the Elsan.

I have met boater, who moved very slowly along the cut, he told me that he just pops into a field and digs a hole to empty the cassette in; rather disgusting and environmentally a big no, no. Or perhaps that should be a big do, do?:huh:

The occasional practice of digging a hole is not unreasonable but only, only, only  if there's no non bio Blue type liquid is used. Everything in moderation - but that's what people forget - "he did it, why then shouldn't I....) 

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1 hour ago, dccruiser said:

.... i have never felt comfortable about the thought of having a tank full of unpleasantness under the bed ... 

And yet a similar amount of steel between you and the muddy or industrial ditch is OK? Or carrying the same effluent around in a thin walled plastic tank and having to pour it out isn't getting even closer to the unpleasantness? 

I completely agree about it being personal preference, in fact I have no particular strong feelings in favour of one over the other and didn't/wouldn't choose or dismiss a boat based on this facility, but it's always such a emotive subject and I just don't get any of the justifications potty folk so adamantly apply. "The boat came with it, so I've stayed with it" works fine for me and beyond that I guess I'll stay mystified - at least the 'frozen in' myth is busted. 

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1 hour ago, Sea Dog said:

And yet a similar amount of steel between you and the muddy or industrial ditch is OK? Or carrying the same effluent around in a thin walled plastic tank and having to pour it out isn't getting even closer to the unpleasantness? 

I think you will find most tanks are far less than the 6mm sides of my boat ... also, if the said muddy ditch had the same aroma as the effluent from a leaking tank or seal I dont think there would be too many people living and boating on it! 

With proper management i have never had a problem with a plastic tank as once its full i empty it ... very rarely  store a full one aboard and if i have to its stored outside in the cratch or under the pramhood ... yes i have to empty and clean the tank regularly but i have never had a leak or a "toilet " smell on my boat so i consider it well worth it, but each to his or her own.

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On 07/11/2017 at 10:43, bizzard said:

I wonder what sort of toilets they use in the spaceships whirling around the planet. Cassettes wouldn't last long. There must be tons and tons of poo and pee flying around in orbit if sea type of lav's are in use. I believe there's a spaceship up there, one called   ''Sky Lav'' a kind of mobile public convenience I suppose for the gastronaughts to stop at and use, but how is it emptied. There are loads of folk there who spend weeks and weeks up there researching and studying things, what do they do. Is there a travelling pump out service operated by someone like they do on canals.

They eject the solids earthwards and it burns up on re-entry. Urine is recycled.

According to Hollywood, when the urine was ejected on the Apollo flights and instantly froze, twinkling in the sunlight, they used to call it the ‘Constellation Urine”

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I was totally sold on my pumpout when the guy on the boat moored alongside in London dropped his thin plastic tank (cassette) when carrying it up the steps at the front of his boat. The resultant odour was still detectable 4 days later when he moved on, I suspect much longer for him.

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4 minutes ago, Detling said:

I was totally sold on my pumpout when the guy on the boat moored alongside in London dropped his thin plastic tank (cassette) when carrying it up the steps at the front of his boat. The resultant odour was still detectable 4 days later when he moved on, I suspect much longer for him.

And conversely i was sold on my cassette after being on a few boats over the years where the pumpout had leaked from the tank or a seal :) 

Rick

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On 9. 11. 2017 at 13:00, garrygill@kripter.io said:

Its a bummer but you need to just take it. Fix the damages, inspect other parts and move on. Sadly some kind of damage or system failures is time to time part of any ship. It can warm your hearth, that it can be much worse. Check out this brand "new" yacht. You would love that. :D

Well, I just also broke that crap, count me in :D

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On 09/11/2017 at 20:00, garrygill@kripter.io said:

Its a bummer but you need to just take it. Fix the damages, inspect other parts and move on. Sadly some kind of damage or system failures is time to time part of any ship. It can warm your hearth, that it can be much worse. Check out this brand "new" yacht. You would love that. :D

I think this is the right attitude. Boats are machines, they need tlc and new parts occasionally. Fix the pumpout tank once and should never need to do it again in a lifetime if its done right.  

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I,ve had Alchemy 5 years, shes 20 years old, with macerator pump out tank under the bed. I inspect the outside of the tank once per year, its stainless steel, the area under the bed is bone dry and clean. With two on board i pumpout every 4 weeks on the day ( i,ve gone 6 weeks solo still no signs of full tank). I had one problem when the macerator motor. I was prepared for a stink n mess but before i opened it i put a hose pipe down the ubend and flushed it. When i opened the macerator it was spotless and no smell. The impellor was jammed with a cottonbud. I declared the missus would clean it next time if she put anymore 'aliens' in the bog !  I had cassettes in caravans, they could be stinky and troublesome too, especially when overfull and the sealing trap door jammed open preventing extraction of the cassette. That was a real shit of a job !  Its pumpout for me.!  Sometimes you just have to roll up your sleeves and get stuck in. Life is like a box of chocolates, or a toilet ! Enjoy !

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Well that sounds fun. :D I would also go for a pumpout. If you are dealing with this things you really dont wanna manipulate it by your hands. By the way garry that site is just amazing. :D I found another one on gcaptain forums. I bet it is the same guy.

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On 7 November 2017 at 18:03, Sea Dog said:

And yet a similar amount of steel between you and the muddy or industrial ditch is OK? Or carrying the same effluent around in a thin walled plastic tank and having to pour it out isn't getting even closer to the unpleasantness? 

I completely agree about it being personal preference, in fact I have no particular strong feelings in favour of one over the other and didn't/wouldn't choose or dismiss a boat based on this facility, but it's always such a emotive subject and I just don't get any of the justifications potty folk so adamantly apply. "The boat came with it, so I've stayed with it" works fine for me and beyond that I guess I'll stay mystified - at least the 'frozen in' myth is busted. 

This is an old thread innitt. Ok so two boats in a marina which of course you can multiply by several hundred. Winter of 2009 I mention this as we were frozen in solid for seven weeks. Cassette full take out, take to elsan point in marina which in modern marinas isn't frozen as they are heated empty and repeat or put 25 ton boat under arm and carry to frozen up pump out machine.

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4 minutes ago, mrsmelly said:

Ok so two boats in a marina which of course you can multiply by several hundred. Winter of 2009 I mention this as we were frozen in solid for seven weeks. Cassette full take out, take to elsan point in marina which in modern marinas isn't frozen as they are heated empty and repeat or put 25 ton boat under arm and carry to frozen up pump out machine.

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My mum always instructed me to carry newspapers around with me, in case I had to use a strange toilet somewhere. If I did I was then to cover the toilet seat with newspaper before I sat down on it to prevent me from catching Aids.  I have headline news going years back printed on both cheeks.

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Sound very similar to my old Ma.

 

But in my case I was instructed to hover my backside 6" above the bog seat and on no account sit down!

 

She never specified what might have been caught from the seat and I thought it better not to ask but I don't think AIDS had been invented in 1960.

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4 hours ago, Victor Vectis said:

Sound very similar to my old Ma.

 

But in my case I was instructed to hover my backside 6" above the bog seat and on no account sit down!

 

She never specified what might have been caught from the seat and I thought it better not to ask but I don't think AIDS had been invented in 1960.

 

It is beleived to have existed from the 1920s

  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29442642

 

Perhaps your mother was very wise?

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On 07/11/2017 at 10:43, bizzard said:

I wonder what sort of toilets they use in the spaceships whirling around the planet. Cassettes wouldn't last long. There must be tons and tons of poo and pee flying around in orbit if sea type of lav's are in use. I believe there's a spaceship up there, one called   ''Sky Lav'' a kind of mobile public convenience I suppose for the gastronaughts to stop at and use, but how is it emptied. There are loads of folk there who spend weeks and weeks up there researching and studying things, what do they do. Is there a travelling pump out service operated by someone like they do on canals.

An old post I know but perhaps this little ditty gives you the answer to your query:

 

7 hours ago, bizzard said:

My mum always instructed me to carry newspapers around with me, in case I had to use a strange toilet somewhere. If I did I was then to cover the toilet seat with newspaper before I sat down on it to prevent me from catching Aids.  I have headline news going years back printed on both cheeks.

If you go to Greece or rural areas of France the 'squat' bog is quite common. After a few visits to these countries I've sort of mastered it but not to the degree of the locals. Whilst in a toilet block in France I took a shower and had a shave, cleaned teeth etc and all the time the bog door was locked, something like 15 -20 minutes before eventually a Frenchman emerged with his newspaper that he had clearly been reading in the squat bog, my knees would have seized up in less than 10 minutes, I was impressed at his ability:huh:

 

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