jddevel Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 On moving my sailaway to its location for painting it soon became very apparent that the tiller/rudder was extremely hard to move. I`m assuming that besides obviously being new that this maybe or I hope is because it requires greasing. If that`s the case whilst out of the water advice please how does one go about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 1 hour ago, jddevel said: On moving my sailaway to its location for painting it soon became very apparent that the tiller/rudder was extremely hard to move. I`m assuming that besides obviously being new that this maybe or I hope is because it requires greasing. If that`s the case whilst out of the water advice please how does one go about that? Do you have a tiller arm fitted or are you trying to move it with the usual stumpy bit? Has it been stood and rusted up a little? Has it been cilled or similar damage occurred? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jddevel Posted October 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 23 minutes ago, mrsmelly said: Do you have a tiller arm fitted or are you trying to move it with the usual stumpy bit? Has it been stood and rusted up a little? Has it been cilled or similar damage occurred? Tiller arm fitted, not cilled however it stood from at least Aug 2016 until Sept 2017 on the hard and open to the elements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, jddevel said: Tiller arm fitted, not cilled however it stood from at least Aug 2016 until Sept 2017 on the hard and open to the elements. Would need to see it then but look on the bright side it aint too loose!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jddevel Posted October 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 Will have to insist my wife eats more spinach because at the moment it`s all down to me at the helm!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 Maybe rust in the bottom cup or even the top bearing, if it has one partly seized up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furnessvale Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 Assuming no bad kinks in the rudder post, there are only two bearing points, top and bottom. Out of the water, it should be easy to work out which (or both) is seized. George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza954 Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 Is there not a grease nipple on the top bearing you can access and grease up ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jddevel Posted October 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 Due at the boat on Friday to get progress report on painting. Will check out commentators remarks. Painter has currently said has been unable to get someone to look at the problem. The boat is at Hesford Marina near Lymm which is a DIY yard where contractors can hire facilities. Painting being carried out by Carl Pickle trading as Cheshire Brush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, jddevel said: Due at the boat on Friday to get progress report on painting. Will check out commentators remarks. Painter has currently said has been unable to get someone to look at the problem. The boat is at Hesford Marina near Lymm which is a DIY yard where contractors can hire facilities. Painting being carried out by Carl Pickle trading as Cheshire Brush. Mine got very stiff while it was sitting being fitted and painted, put it in the water and it was fine in a few minutes when the water got in the cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshire cat Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 Not much point in painting it if it needs to be dismantled to replace a bearing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jddevel Posted October 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 9 minutes ago, Cheshire cat said: Not much point in painting it if it needs to be dismantled to replace a bearing Would point out it`s a new boat albeit a sailaway that`s now about 15 months old and been ashore for 12 months of that time. I`m optimistic that it doesn`t need a new bearing. Fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taslim Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 If it moves and it shouldn't, Duct tape. If it should move and it won,'t, WD 40? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotEver Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 21 minutes ago, Taslim said: If it moves and it shouldn't, Duct tape. If it should move and it won,'t, WD 40? Or a big hammer. If it still doesn’t move your hammer wasn’t big enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 An easy way to check if its the top bearing is to loosen the fixing bolts, no need to take them right out and see it you can move the tiller while holding the bearing housing still. Those top bearings, if they are the roller type don't like sitting with the races full of rain water and no grease even if they are sealed for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taslim Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 1 minute ago, WotEver said: Or a big hammer. If it still doesn’t move your hammer wasn’t big enough. True or swap the tiller bar for a long scaffold pole but I'm not sure the OP would be to keen to bray seven bells out of his pride and joy. 'Mbe ditchcrawler has a better idea in his post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuthound Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 Perhaps it's just excited to finally be in the water? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 It will most likely free up with a bit of use, once you get underway properly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, cuthound said: Perhaps it's just excited to finally be in the water? Droll. (used as adjective not noun) Edited October 24, 2017 by Ray T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dor Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 What sort of top bearing does it have? If it is the square one with a ball race then they are quite prone to rusting up and greasing them is usually ineffective if the rudder post goes through at an angle. Easy (and cheap) to replace, but better to fit a different sort, e.g. one with a nylon bearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustydiver Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 When i had my bearings replaced i could hardly move the tiller, i was interesting reversing out of the dry dock. After a few weeks usage its a dream to use compared to how sloppy it was before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRP Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 Didn't the OP say this is a new boat? Surely the answer is to call the seller and tell him to come and fix it; failing that, a solicitors letter and the threat of naming on this forum ought to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotEver Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 15 minutes ago, DRP said: Didn't the OP say this is a new boat? Hardly... 14 hours ago, jddevel said: Would point out it`s a new boat albeit a sailaway that`s now about 15 months old and been ashore for 12 months of that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRP Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 Maybe I'm being unreasonable, but I'd expect a tiller to last a bit longer than 15 months, especially if the boat's been out of the water for 12 of those. 15 months is "new" from my viewpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotEver Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 1 minute ago, DRP said: Maybe I'm being unreasonable, but I'd expect a tiller to last a bit longer than 15 months, especially if the boat's been out of the water for 12 of those. 15 months is "new" from my viewpoint. No-one is suggesting that it hasn’t ‘lasted’. Just that it’s sat, unmoving, for 15 months. After a bit of use it’ll probably free right up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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