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I wonder why Mike chose this post. Was he thinking about Rudyard Lake and that wonderful if not impractical scheme to link the Macclesfield Canal through Rudyard Lake with the Caldon Canal. Now Rudyard was Kilping's first name and there is a poem called "If" by Mr Kipling:

IF you can keep your head when all about you 
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools: 

If you can make one heap of all your winnings 
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!

 

 

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Such a talented man, wrote good poetry and baked great cakes too.

He was, I believe, named after the lake, which his parents had visited. He may have been conceived there, though apparently his parents were reticent on this point.

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On 10/3/2017 at 17:42, mross said:

What's worse is when people repeat a question you have asked them when there is no way they have misheard you.  It's another 'gap filler'.

....or rephrase the question to a different one - and then answer that one.

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On 10/4/2017 at 11:23, Athy said:

Such a talented man, wrote good poetry and baked great cakes too.

He was, I believe, named after the lake, which his parents had visited. He may have been conceived there, though apparently his parents were reticent on this point.

 

I always imagined his name was a tense of the verb 'to kipple'. 

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I like the possibility that the poet may have been conceived in a marshalling yard rather than by a lake.. Yes we got it on in a baggage car he's actually christened Joseph "Rudd Yard" Kipling sounds a bit like Arthur "Two Sheds" Jackson sorry guys I've had a few drinks.     

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5 minutes ago, Dr Bob said:

Point of order.

what has a large travelling bag got to do with this thread?

Point of order to your point of order. 

What have any of these posts got to do with this thread?

23 minutes ago, Athy said:

Sounds like a portmanteau word to me.

That would depend upon the track generally taken by your mind...

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In the film 'If' the single record Mr. McDowell constantly played was 'Sanctus' by 'Les Troubadours Du Roi Baudouin', which was released in 1958, sung by a Congolese choir.  I always considered a Latin mass song to be an odd choice, perhaps it was the 'heavy' drums that made it so...

 

ETA: brilliant film though, may have to dig it up from the archives and watch it once more.

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1 hour ago, Ratkatcher said:

In the film 'If' the single record Mr. McDowell constantly played was 'Sanctus' by 'Les Troubadours Du Roi Baudouin', which was released in 1958, sung by a Congolese choir.  I always considered a Latin mass song to be an odd choice, perhaps it was the 'heavy' drums that made it so...

 

 

That could be why it became a Top 30 hit in 1969, through exposure in the film.

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