Tesco's Reading

[ditchcrawler]

3 hours ago, LadyG said:

We can assume that is what they want us to assume, but more evidence is needed, if RBC are the owners, why do they want to discourage shoppers, just make it a 12 hour or a two day mooring surely?

It was a 2 hr mooring but that didn't stop people staying weeks. So now if you stop you pay. Its easier to police than sending a man round every 2 hrs or even daily and checking that the same boats are still not there. 

[cereal tiller]

2 hours ago, cuthound said:

 

Having moored on the opposite side, you could always use the long shaft to pole vault to Tesco's and back to the boat. 

Not sure what you would do with the trolley though. 

It is a shame that Tesco don't sell Biffa Bin Liners ,would be easy to Wrap one around the Trolley and Sail it Back to the Mothership.

Better still ,attach some Jalapenos to a couple of Ecofans and Plane it back!

[WotEver]

5 hours ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

The £9.50 charge IS mentioned on the latest sign, photo in post 61. Check it!

Like you though, I notice there is still no mention on the latest sign of how to pre-pay it as demanded, so I think they have a way to go yet in making this stick.

How to pay IS mentioned on the latest sign, photo in post 61. Check it!

 

Clue... 4th line. 

[rusty69]

3 minutes ago, WotEver said:

How to pay IS mentioned on the latest sign, photo in post 61. Check it!

 

Clue... 4th line. 

Why would you want to pay IS? Unless you were planning a trolley Daesh round Tescos

[cereal tiller]

31 minutes ago, WotEver said:

How to pay IS mentioned on the latest sign, photo in post 61. Check it!

 

Clue... 4th line. 

Go on ,tell us what it says Tony ,it seems to be written in "Fuzz Font".

[WotEver]

19 minutes ago, cereal tiller said:

Go on ,tell us what it says Tony ,it seems to be written in "Fuzz Font".

It says “To book online visit this fuzzy site dot com”

[cereal tiller]

23 minutes ago, WotEver said:

It says “To book online visit this fuzzy site dot com”

Would they accept  "Fuzzy Felt" money?

[WotEver]

5 minutes ago, cereal tiller said:

Would they accept  "Fuzzy Felt" money?

Oooh, I remember that...

[thebfg]

On 06/09/2017 at 14:27, pearley said:

 

Where it says person or persons in control of the vessel.

 

Is there any legal basis for the boat owner to give their details to DE, as the person in contrl may not be the owner.

 

Is their any legal basis for the owner to have to pay it on their behalf. As that contract does not hold them liable.

[john6767]

53 minutes ago, thebfg said:

Where it says person or persons in control of the vessel.

 

Is there any legal basis for the boat owner to give their details to DE, as the person in contrl may not be the owner.

 

Is their any legal basis for the owner to have to pay it on their behalf. As that contract does not hold them liable.

Interesting observation, over to the legal bods......

[MtB]

2 hours ago, thebfg said:

Where it says person or persons in control of the vessel.

 

Is there any legal basis for the boat owner to give their details to DE, as the person in contrl may not be the owner.

 

Is their any legal basis for the owner to have to pay it on their behalf. As that contract does not hold them liable.

 

Playing Devil's advocate...

1) If the boat has a CRT license then the licensee probably agreed in the T&Cs that CRT may divulge their deets to a third party (such as DE). IS there a similar clause in a Thames license? 

2) It could be argued that the license holder IS in ultimate control of the boat. Delegating their control to someone else doesn't relieve them of liability. 

3) This all falls to bits if the license hold is not the legal owner. It is I believe, possible to license a boat not belonging to you.

[thebfg]

1 hour ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

Playing Devil's advocate...

1) If the boat has a CRT license then the licensee probably agreed in the T&Cs that CRT may divulge their deets to a third party (such as DE). IS there a similar clause in a Thames license? 

2) It could be argued that the license holder IS in ultimate control of the boat. Delegating their control to someone else doesn't relieve them of liability. 

3) This all falls to bits if the license hold is not the legal owner. It is I believe, possible to license a boat not belonging to you.

 They may give the licensee/owners details and I realise they can do that. But my point was once they have those details  if they were not onboard ,are they actually in control of the vessel? And do they have to then name the person in control?

I would point to a shared ownership boat to muddy the waters.   Let' not forget that this has nothing to do with crt or EA and is a private company working for a landowner. So if they want to follow their threat of legal action, they would have to prove who was in control of the vessel As I cant beleive there is anything to make the owner name them. Unless a judge asks i suppose and if they ultimately rely on the owner/license holder, under what law could they use to argue that point.

 

I can only imagine there is a legal definition for control. But have no idea what that is.

 

DE can't even do parking properly now they claim to be mooring specialists.

 

Edited November 28, 2017 by thebfg

[Steilsteven]

The terminology does leave room for confusion doesn't it?

It would be better to have said '' the master of the vessel''. I think this is a legal title meaning the person in charge of the vessel but not necessarily steering it and not necessarily the owner.

So if one day you receive a letter saying that you owe DE £100 for not paying the appropriate fee at the time you could say that you weren't in control of the vessel at the time because you'd lent it to a friend.

The question is, would you have to disclose the friend's details and if you refused to do so would you be liable for the fee?

Keith

[Jerra]

I know it is probably a terribly simple point that I am missing somewhere (not uncommon) but I am puzzled (again not uncommon).  It is regularly posted that CRT can't use a boat as lien on a debt and yet this notice says they will do just that and nobody has raised an eyebrow.  What am I missing?  

[philjw]

This is the Thames so any CRT specific comments won't apply but I see your point.

Edited November 28, 2017 by philjw
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[Mike Todd]

2 hours ago, Jerra said:

I know it is probably a terribly simple point that I am missing somewhere (not uncommon) but I am puzzled (again not uncommon).  It is regularly posted that CRT can't use a boat as lien on a debt and yet this notice says they will do just that and nobody has raised an eyebrow.  What am I missing?  

Is that what has been posted? I though - and Nigel M will I'm sure correct me if I am wrong - but the main point that he and Leigh R have been pursuing is that the boat cannot be held as lien against removal debts for non-payment of a licence as the licence fee is a special kind of arrangement. It only becomes a debt that can be pursued in such a way after several other legal steps have been taken and, moreover, a court judgement obtained. This then turns the matter into a standard type of debt for which various remedies are available, including ultimately possession - but with extra care if it is a permanent residence. In other words, it is much more complicated that your short statement suggests - we would not want to lead anyone into an unwise course of action, thinking they can rely on that position!

[Jerra]

3 minutes ago, Mike Todd said:

Is that what has been posted? I though - and Nigel M will I'm sure correct me if I am wrong - but the main point that he and Leigh R have been pursuing is that the boat cannot be held as lien against removal debts for non-payment of a licence as the licence fee is a special kind of arrangement. It only becomes a debt that can be pursued in such a way after several other legal steps have been taken and, moreover, a court judgement obtained. This then turns the matter into a standard type of debt for which various remedies are available, including ultimately possession - but with extra care if it is a permanent residence. In other words, it is much more complicated that your short statement suggests - we would not want to lead anyone into an unwise course of action, thinking they can rely on that position!

As I said, what am I missing and assuming your reply is correct, it is the fact that there are various kinds of debt i.e. normal debt and the "special" kind in the case of removing the boat after refusing a licence.

[OldGoat]

Does anyone know the 'exact' length of the moorings? That is it just the length of the old timber staging, the whole length from Kennett mouth to the bend by Better Boating - or something else. The link from the mooring notice just indicates the position - not the quantum. Looking a earlier threads / posts on the subject indicate the  council were generally unhelpful / didn't know.

Most folk would be more interested in just stopping for a 'Tesco shop' so £9.50 for a couple of hours (that's the time The Management spends in store). There's nothing else that's convenient until you get to Waitrose in Abingdon - Wallingford is too small.

[Steilsteven]

43 minutes ago, OldGoat said:

Does anyone know the 'exact' length of the moorings? That is it just the length of the old timber staging, the whole length from Kennett mouth to the bend by Better Boating - or something else. The link from the mooring notice just indicates the position - not the quantum. Looking a earlier threads / posts on the subject indicate the  council were generally unhelpful / didn't know.

Most folk would be more interested in just stopping for a 'Tesco shop' so £9.50 for a couple of hours (that's the time The Management spends in store). There's nothing else that's convenient until you get to Waitrose in Abingdon - Wallingford is too small.

It's the whole length from Kennet mouth to opposite Better Boating.

Keith

[thebfg]

7 hours ago, Jerra said:

I know it is probably a terribly simple point that I am missing somewhere (not uncommon) but I am puzzled (again not uncommon).  It is regularly posted that CRT can't use a boat as lien on a debt and yet this notice says they will do just that and nobody has raised an eyebrow.  What am I missing?  

No i saw it but couldent read it well enough to comment.

 

[Drayke]

5 hours ago, OldGoat said:

Does anyone know the 'exact' length of the moorings? That is it just the length of the old timber staging, the whole length from Kennett mouth to the bend by Better Boating - or something else. The link from the mooring notice just indicates the position - not the quantum. Looking a earlier threads / posts on the subject indicate the  council were generally unhelpful / didn't know.

Most folk would be more interested in just stopping for a 'Tesco shop' so £9.50 for a couple of hours (that's the time The Management spends in store). There's nothing else that's convenient until you get to Waitrose in Abingdon - Wallingford is too small.

You can moor above Caversham Lock and walk to Aldi’s.

[Tony Brooks]

You can also go up the Kennet, moor outside the Queens Road car park and walk to Sainsbury's/M&S. I have not had any problems mooring there in the day or overnight.

[Steilsteven]

1 hour ago, Tony Brooks said:

You can also go up the Kennet, moor outside the Queens Road car park and walk to Sainsbury's/M&S. I have not had any problems mooring there in the day or overnight.

No signs there yet then?

[Tony Brooks]

3 minutes ago, Steilsteven said:

No signs there yet then?

Not that I have seen but only walk that way so may not see any facing the river. If there are then Reading really is turning boaters away. Even Marlow allowed free mooring during the day the last time I was there.

[LadyG]

15 hours ago, OldGoat said:

Does anyone know the 'exact' length of the moorings? That is it just the length of the old timber staging, the whole length from Kennett mouth to the bend by Better Boating - or something else. The link from the mooring notice just indicates the position - not the quantum. Looking a earlier threads / posts on the subject indicate the  council were generally unhelpful / didn't know.

Most folk would be more interested in just stopping for a 'Tesco shop' so £9.50 for a couple of hours (that's the time The Management spends in store). There's nothing else that's convenient until you get to Waitrose in Abingdon - Wallingford is too small.

Can't you get a delivery to a canalside pub en route? I cannot imagine spending two hours in Tesco: just randomly select two items from each side of each aisle, and one from each end, job done in 30  mins.

Edited November 29, 2017 by LadyG