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Very likeable sociable man who posted after having a drink or two. After his op he didn't feel confident of being steady on his feet. He now has a camper so will still be travelling.

Likeable men do not make cheap jokes about the possibly life threatening illness of another man's wife, and as alcohol usually exagerates the true nature of a person's character, doing so after a couple of drinks is hardly an excuse.

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I did have a run in with Tone on here after he upset a good friend of mine. I met him at Purple Fairy's birthday do and he is a really nice bloke in person.

 

It baffles me how some people can be so nice in person but can be so insensitive when they're typing on their keyboard.

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I did have a run in with Tone on here after he upset a good friend of mine. I met him at Purple Fairy's birthday do and he is a really nice bloke in person.

 

It baffles me how some people can be so nice in person but can be so insensitive when they're typing on their keyboard.

 

He is still posting on this forum.

 

Tim

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He is still posting on this forum.

 

Tim

 

Is he? I remember him re-appearing under another name and didn't last long before he felt compelled to reveal himself. I'm surprised if he's regularly posting and not felt the same urge to say "hello, it's me!"

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Forum members rarely match their online persona

 

Richard

 

My experience too.

 

In fact I'd go further. I've met one helluvalot of internet posters from various forums and they NEVER match their internet persona. Some are close but most are not.

 

You Richard, are one of those who are close, BTW!

 

Mike

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Is he? I remember him re-appearing under another name and didn't last long before he felt compelled to reveal himself. I'm surprised if he's regularly posting and not felt the same urge to say "hello, it's me!"

 

Sshhhhh its top secret

 

Tim

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I did have a run in with Tone on here after he upset a good friend of mine. I met him at Purple Fairy's birthday do and he is a really nice bloke in person.

 

It baffles me how some people can be so nice in person but can be so insensitive when they're typing on their keyboard.

I don't buy all this "nice bloke" stuff. A nice bloke would have produced something like an apology after he learnt that I was upset by his cruel joke, but all I got was the accusation that I lacked a sense of humor. Perhaps other people would find jokes about their wife's diagnosis of a brain tumor funny, but I didn't, nor did many other posters, or the moderators.

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I don't buy all this "nice bloke" stuff. A nice bloke would have produced something like an apology after he learnt that I was upset by his cruel joke, but all I got was the accusation that I lacked a sense of humor. Perhaps other people would find jokes about their wife's diagnosis of a brain tumor funny, but I didn't, nor did many other posters, or the moderators.

My experience is that, on first meeting, 'Tone' comes across as very nice, avuncular old matelot willing to share his (self proclaimed) vast experience with those who will listen but then when his (self admitted) excessive drinking takes control or when he doesn't get his own way, on certain matters where he would like things to go his way, he can turn quite poisonous in his verbal attacks. It cannot be pure coincidence that he has been ejected from two canal forums surely?

Roger

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My experience is that, on first meeting, 'Tone' comes across as very nice, avuncular old matelot willing to share his (self proclaimed) vast experience with those who will listen but then when his (self admitted) excessive drinking takes control or when he doesn't get his own way, on certain matters where he would like things to go his way, he can turn quite poisonous in his verbal attacks. It cannot be pure coincidence that he has been ejected from two canal forums surely?

Roger

That was my experience. When he was failing to marshal a valid argument in the debate about the alleged failings of NABO, he turned nasty and vicious, that was when he chose to drag my wife's ill health into the discussion.

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People in pain often become short tempered and that would apply to Tony as well

if that is the case then they usually apologise for their pain induced nastiness, on reflection.

 

There are many people on this, and all, forums who are argumentative, assertive, stubborn, grumpy or rude and who may or may not prove to be lovely people in real life. They make this forum interesting.

 

There are others who make nasty, personal and hurtful attacks on people who are obviously at a low point and show no remorse, in hindsight.

 

Despite any real life gloss they may portray, those are the people I will not forgive or have time for, just like the vitriolic old woman who made scathing, hurtful remarks about the destruction of our home, when my OH was ill with stress from the incident.

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Don't get too excited Athy, it's hardly worth the effort of the key clicks these days. In fact, in addition to Koukouvagia's point, even the trolls don't seem to think it worth contributing these days. :lol:

Roger

Not exciting, not as well laid-out as this site, but I dipped into a few threads and found no sign of animosity. There were a couple of quite interesting topics which have not been broached on here, too.

There seemed to have been about a dozen posts in the previous 24 hours, so not nearly as fast-moving as CWF, whose quick responses are (to me) part of its appeal.

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Am I the only one who finds a personal discussion about Tony Haynes, 'behind his back' and when he is not here to answer back, distasteful?

I suspect he will be on soon as "Dreamcatcher" (joined today!)

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No, not really. I don't know the man personally. I have met you and I have no reason whatsoever to doubt your statements.

 

I just don't think it's very nice to slag someone off if they can't answer back.

 

 

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*That's cheating David!!

 

I suspect he will be on soon as "Dreamcatcher" (joined today!)

 

In which case, he's on his own. (he writes a good crossword though)

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I just don't think it's very nice to slag someone off if they can't answer back.

 

The beauty of a public forum is that they are free to exercise their right of reply, should they choose to (though I don't disagree with your sentiment).

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I suspect he will be on soon as "Dreamcatcher" (joined today!)

I think it is possible this is a sheer coincidence David.....

 

From the new member details.....

 

Hi everyone. Just bought a 55x12f widebeam at Whilton. Will be journeying south this week. I'm very conscious of the space we take up and hope we don't make ourselves too unpopular.

 

And on the Whilton site.....

 

linky

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Devil's Advocate? again!

No, not really. I don't know the man personally. I have met you and I have no reason whatsoever to doubt your statements.

 

I just don't think it's very nice to slag someone off if they can't answer back.

 

 

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*That's cheating David!!

 

Deleted quote reinstated above

 

 

I think it is possible this is a sheer coincidence David.....

 

From the new member details.....

 

 

 

And on the Whilton site.....

 

linky

Perhaps someone should advise them to change their name :lol:

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Am I the only one who finds a personal discussion about Tony Haynes, 'behind his back' and when he is not here to answer back, distasteful?

 

No.

 

Particularly when it gets personal as in how much alcohol he may or may not consume or what might be the cause of any angst he might have, fair enough if he had the opportunity to respond at the very least.

 

Perhaps someone should advise them to change their name :lol:

 

It's an exceptionally common name for a boat.

 

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No.

 

Particularly when it gets personal as in how much alcohol he may or may not consume or what might be the cause of any angst he might have, fair enough if he had the opportunity to respond at the very least.

I think both the pain and the alcohol was first mentioned by someone defending his demeanour.

 

The phrase "With friends like that..." springs to mind.

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No.

 

Particularly when it gets personal as in how much alcohol he may or may not consume or what might be the cause of any angst he might have, fair enough if he had the opportunity to respond at the very least.

 

Both you and Chris are entitled to express your opinion, but youdid not receive the offensive PM's from this horrible little man, which the moderators would not permit me to post. So by using the PM system instead of the public arena, he circumnavigated my right to reply. Goose and Gander?

 

I also hope you are not seeking to suggest that I introduced the issue of alcohol. Until it was mentiomned by his friend, Sue Birchett, it had not occured to me. I merely responded to her post by suggestiong that having had a few drinks was not an adequate excuse for offensive posts.

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I have had comunication with Tony at various times, and found him very tolerant and rational, however he is very much of my stamp and doesnt suffer fools lightly. There are those who seem oblivious to thier terse and insensitive comments but are quick to take umbridge when they recieve a return volley. I for one have plenty of time for Tony at least you can deal with someone who shoots from the hip and doesnt say one thing when meaning another

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Both you and Chris are entitled to express your opinion, but youdid not receive the offensive PM's from this horrible little man, which the moderators would not permit me to post. So by using the PM system instead of the public arena, he circumnavigated my right to reply. Goose and Gander?

 

I also hope you are not seeking to suggest that I introduced the issue of alcohol. Until it was mentiomned by his friend, Sue Birchett, it had not occured to me. I merely responded to her post by suggestiong that having had a few drinks was not an adequate excuse for offensive posts.

Half a dozen of one, six of the other in my opinion, I seem to remember you and canaldrifter antagonised each other most of the time. He has gone now, so I don't really see why your trying to continue the war :-)

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