Andysh

I am sorry, you are completely wrong. I realise this is not your fault because I haven't revealed the location, but suffice it to say I am not the only business there I have edited to add: It was a business premises long before CRT or even BW existed.

Excellent advice Nigel, thank you enormously. One way in which these forums help, apart for the invaluable knowledge such as yours is the way it clarifies the issues in my mind - and those who object are just as useful in this. And, I do tend agree, I think I may have to send my guests packing with an empty stomach, though the Environmental Health inspections are not onerous and mostly common sense, I want to get the operation up and running first. Of course, Mike, I wouldn't dream of having guests on CRT waters. I simply need the license to legally move the boat between one mooring (on another navigation) to the layby (not CRT waters) using CRT waters.

This appears to be me. I am convinced I am entitled to a license (whether for my own use or for multi-use is not relevant) as I have the updated BSS and despite what people have conjectured on this thread my insurance company are content with my projected use. It is interesting that your reading of the Acts is that these licenses should cost less than a standard pleasure boat license but I have no interest in rocking that particular boat. I was, at the start, prepared to pay the premium and it's CRT's refusal to allow any use of my boat that is causing a problem. Having said all this, and appearing to have a pretty valid case, I am not sure how to proceed legally in order to enforce my rights. to summarise 1. I want a license for me and family to use the boat for cruising in birmingham 2. I want to run an AirBnB business from the boat (without cruising) CRT are currently refusing both of these and I don't know what to do next

mayalld, on 15 Jun 2016 - 08:47 AM, said: OK, I will assume that you do indeed have the proper BSSC and insurance. What you don't have is a mooring. You may protest that you do indeed have a mooring, but the truth is that you almost certainly do not have a mooring that will "satisfy" them, regardless of any agreement you may have with the supplier of that mooring, because the mooring operator can only supply a mooring with CRT's approval, and they don't approve. Perhaps I wasn't clear, I have two moorings, both legitimate, both accessible, one on CRT waters which is the one you contend they may not be satisfied, though I'm not clear how you work this out. It's a mooring, I have a contract, CRT are not involved in that contract (it's very slightly offline). In theory I don't need a license although I do need one to get there. I also have a mooring on another navigation authoritys waters where the boat is now. I fail to see how they can be dissatisfied with a mooring that I am using. Perhaps you could clarify your thinking.

I'm not, any more, applying for a commercial license, I am applying for a pleasure boat license. Is that any of your business? Although the answer is yes, of course it does.

Given that they had proof it was, they don't, it isn't, I would still be interested in how they can refuse me a license. As Nigel Moore kindly pointed out, the commercial license is a creature of contract (that I offered to accept), the pleasure boat license, that doesn't exclude 'hire or reward' is a creature of statute. As for Tony, Onionbargee and Nigel's advice --- oh yes, my dears, oh yes. I am afraid you find yourself misinformed about the terms of my insurance.

yes Edited: I don't live on the boat but yes, I have a cabin for myself while the guests are there (and I cook a lovely breakfast)

Exactly this. They refused point blank my business application on the grounds "It is CRT policy not to allow boats to be used for AirBnB". I then applied for a pleasure boat license. Unless you can read my mind, any implication this is a scam is uncalled for, from this forum, yes, maybe I can see where you're coming from. From CRT, it's not really an application of the law. It seems much more arbitrary. I understood the only grounds they could refuse a license were those in law, their opinions as to me or my boat should not be allowed. As you say, it seems like I have to apply for a judicial review if I want to challenge it. This is the only avenue of appeal against an arbitrary refusal to license a boat and is very expensive. I'm not applying for a business license. I'm not applying for a commercial license (it's not a commercial boat) I am sorry, I don't understand this. Ah I see now. For the sake of this discussion, let's assume it's so my family can use the boat on the Birmingham canals.

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Actually that's not so, if you let out one room in your house (that you live in) on an occasional basis other than declaring the tax there are no regulations.

The BSS say the certificate I have is both for rental and private use.

Sorry, you misunderstood, the certificate to the full 2002 BSS Standard is what the BSS told me I needed and what I asked the inspector for.

I think this, especially the last part, is right. I can't see any way around it, but I cannot see that their refusal of a license is legal. I'm sorry, are you trying to be rude? The BSS is correct. I asked the inspector especially for a certificate that covers BnB use.

I also aren't stupid and have realised this. What I haven't realised is how, legally, they can efuse me a license.

I haven't understood this. They need to be satisfied I have BSS, insurance and mooring, what else do they need, by law, to be 'satisfied' of (in the parlance of the Act)?