Boat fire at Barton Marina

Flyboy · October 21, 2016

http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/pictures-boat-on-fire-at-barton-marina/story-29829279-detail/story.html

Sadly this happened today.

Dave123 · October 21, 2016

Very sad.

Interesting that a crew came all the way from Newcastle under Lyme...would have thought there would be many closer firestations

pearley · October 21, 2016

There is another picture on Facebook. Looks like the fire has spread to the other two GRP boats.

cheshire~rose · October 21, 2016

Very sad.

Interesting that a crew came all the way from Newcastle under Lyme...would have thought there would be many closer firestations

There will be many closer but Newcastle is only around 35 miles away and it is likely it was a specilised crew that was sent?

A horrible thing to happen, a good job nobody was injured

Edited October 21, 2016 by cheshire~rose

Tim Lewis · October 21, 2016

There is another picture on Facebook. Looks like the fire has spread to the other two GRP boats.

GoodGurl · October 21, 2016

so all 4 boats were burned how very sad

Machpoint005 · October 21, 2016

Nobody injured. That's not sad, it's the complete opposite.

Penfold · October 21, 2016

Gosh, that photograph is very scary indeed

May be a daft question ( I ask as I dont know) but does the marina not have hose reels capable of shifting a fair few gallons of canal water onto boats if (sadly) required? I'm not talking about water tank hoses, proper decent size ones.

It must have seemed like b++dy ages for the fire peeps to arrive from 35 miles away.

Tim Lewis · October 21, 2016

Gosh, that photograph is very scary indeed

May be a daft question ( I ask as I dont know) but does the marina not have hose reels capable of shifting a fair few gallons of canal water onto boats if (sadly) required? I'm not talking about water tank hoses, proper decent size ones.

It must have seemed like b++dy ages for the fire peeps to arrive from 35 miles away.

When's the last time you saw a fireman putting out a fire on a boat full if petrol and gas with a hose reel?

Tim

Flyboy · October 21, 2016

Another link :- http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/fierce-blaze-at-barton-marina-sinks-one-boat-and-severely-damages-others/story-29829584-detail/story.html

blackrose · October 21, 2016

When's the last time you saw a fireman putting out a fire on a boat full if petrol and gas with a hose reel?

Tim

2007.

Penfold · October 21, 2016

Well they manage quite well with car fires and factory fires with water....I do believe cars have petrol in them and most factories have gas/fuel of some type....They dont stand back and watch do they?

My question/suggestion was do marinas have 'fire points' and if not why not?

Also most boats are diesel powered anyway so where does petrol come into this?

Edited October 21, 2016 by Penfold

Cheshire cat · October 21, 2016

They are fibreglass cruisers which mostly have petrol engines.

I think the wind didn't help. There's always a strong breeze at Barton Turns.

ditchcrawler · October 21, 2016

Well they manage quite well with car fires and factory fires with water....I do believe cars have petrol in them and most factories have gas/fuel of some type....They dont stand back and watch do they?

My question/suggestion was do marinas have 'fire points' and if not why not?

Also most boats are diesel powered anyway so where does petrol come into this?

You can see the outboard engine on one of them

They are fibreglass cruisers which mostly have petrol engines.

I think the wind didn't help. There's always a strong breeze at Barton Turns.

We are the other end of the T&M and not a breath of wind here today

OldGoat · October 21, 2016

Without knowledge (of FG boats burning), but that sort of fire is at quite high temperature - with a lot of lumps of burning material flowing around. Water would only spread those to neighbouring vessels. In addition there's a risk of explosion of petrol tanks.

Methinks the preferred solution is to starve the fire of oxygen - and that's done with foam.

You only get that with a specialised fire crew and equipment.

You also have to consider the safety-on-water aspect, again special training for fire crews.

That's all conjecture on my part, but may explain why the marina could not deal with it and why a crew had to come from some distance??

Feel free to shoot me down in umm-whatever.

There's often a good reason why things don't happen in the way that folks think they should???

Tim Lewis · October 21, 2016

Well they manage quite well with car fires and factory fires with water....I do believe cars have petrol in them and most factories have gas/fuel of some type....They dont stand back and watch do they?

My question/suggestion was do marinas have 'fire points' and if not why not?

Also most boats are diesel powered anyway so where does petrol come into this?

I have seen a few car fires but out by the fire brigade and I can assure you they do not use water, they use f*****g great powder or CO2 extinguishers which put the average engine fire out in seconds.

Tim

October 21, 2016

Must say a GRP boat by our home was attended to by the fire brigade, who used hoses to put the fire out. The boat sunk as a result.

Penfold · October 21, 2016

I have seen a few car fires but out by the fire brigade and I can assure you they do not use water, they use f*****g great powder or CO2 extinguishers which put the average engine fire out in seconds.

Tim

Mmmmmmm In my previous employ I watched the FB putting out loads of cars nicked by the local scrotes and water was used in each case....Perhaps West Mids FB cant afford C02 or powder..

I see that no one has answered my question though....

Do marinas have fire points? I would have thought them to be a good idea despite all that's been said

ditchcrawler · October 21, 2016

I see that no one has answered my question though....

Do marinas have fire points? I would have thought them to be a good idea despite all that's been said

No but there is normally a ready supply of water for the Brigade to use when they arrive.

Penfold · October 21, 2016

No but there is normally a ready supply of water for the Brigade to use when they arrive.

Excellent point....lol....But perhaps a fire hose in action prior to their 35 mile trip could be in action by the faithful/terrified boat owner in an effort to assist or at least do their best to assist before the goons turn up.

If it were my boat/home/pride and joy I would be a bit miffed if there were no fire fighting bits and bobs about the place.Hey even a bucket of sand with the obligatory fag ends in is better than nowt imho

I offer no more on this subject ....phew I hear you cry

ditchcrawler · October 21, 2016

Excellent point....lol....But perhaps a fire hose in action prior to their 35 mile trip could be in action by the faithful/terrified boat owner in an effort to assist or at least do their best to assist before the goons turn up.

If it were my boat/home/pride and joy I would be a bit miffed if there were no fire fighting bits and bobs about the place.Hey even a bucket of sand with the obligatory fag ends in is better than nowt imho

I offer no more on this subject ....phew I hear you cry

Chances are there would be no one capable of using it without putting themselves and others in danger

David Mack · October 21, 2016

If you dowse a boat in water from a fire hose it won't take long to sink it. Although that would put the fire out.

BruceinSanity · October 22, 2016

Chances are there would be no one capable of using it without putting themselves and others in danger

Exactly. In Mercia the rule is call the FB, call the marina emergency number, move neighbouring boats only if safe to do so, send someone to the entry gate to admit the FB, otherwise just keep well away.

There is an emergency point for each pontoon group with a big extinguisher, a fire bell and a loose light ladder to aid recovery of someone in the water.

headjog · October 23, 2016

Excellent point....lol....But perhaps a fire hose in action prior to their 35 mile trip could be in action by the faithful/terrified boat owner in an effort to assist or at least do their best to assist before the goons turn up.

The owner of the boat with the blue awning, was apparently flying home from Spain & was over France with available wifi when he discovered his boat was on fire. AND he'd had an email that morning telling him his insurance was out of date. Judging by the tone of his post on FB, he was not best pleased..........

Hayabusabart · October 23, 2016

The owner of the boat with the blue awning, was apparently flying home from Spain & was over France with available wifi when he discovered his boat was on fire. AND he'd had an email that morning telling him his insurance was out of date. Judging by the tone of his post on FB, he was not best pleased..........

Hi fellow boaters. I am the owner of the boat with the blue awning (Dinard). I was not over France but actually riding my motorbike at the time of the fire and only found out about the incident when the police phoned me to check that I was still alive and not on the boat. Its been a real horrible weekend for me and missis. We have lost the Dinard through no fault of our own. The boat was our pride, joy and sanctuary weekend retreat. We feel bereaved .

Below is a transcript of a statement I am preparing because .. guess what. I have discovered that my insurance had not auto renewed and had lapsed.. a bummer

At 12.50pm on Friday 21^st October a fire broke out on “Corialis” a GRP boat moored in berth 64 on pier 2 at Barton Marina

My boat “Dinard” was moored adjacent to “Corialis” in berth 63. The fire spread to my boat and across to two other boats moored in berths 62 & 61. The fire brigade was called but unfortunately all 4 boats were destroyed by fire and sunk.

The owner of “Corialis” had left his boat unattended while using the marinas shower facility when the fire started. I was not at the marina at the time and only became aware of the incident after a phone call from the police.

I purchased “Dinard” in August 2009 at a cost of £6,750. Since then I have spent approximately £3,500 upgrading the vessel.

Dinard was a 26’ long GRP cabin cruiser built by Burland in 1980.

The fire was covered by a local online paper and I include photos downloaded showing the sequence of events. A video can be seen below link.

http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/fierce-blaze-at-barton-marina-sinks-one-boat-and-severely-damages-others/story-29829584-detail/story.html

Unfortunately I have discovered that my boat was not insured. For some reason the original insurance policy direct debit did not auto repeat.

Apparently the salvage & removal costs of all boats are taken from the separate boat owners insurers. I will now have to pay a quarter of this myself which will not be cheap.

I need to make a private claim for the total loss of my boat as well as the additional salvage cost against the boat owner’s insurance policy.

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