LadyG Posted June 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 5 minutes ago, Machpoint005 said: There's your answer, then, Walk away. I see what you mean: life is a sort of gamble, from conception to decay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurie Booth Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 Just now, Machpoint005 said: Betting with somebody else's money, Laurie? I would trust my gut feeling, and I think LadyG should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machpoint005 Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, LadyG said: why should I walk away Because you are averse to a gamble (or that was my interpretation of your previous post). "Walk away" does not mean "pay the full price", it means "find another boat". The refit (internal I presume) is largely immaterial. The state of the hull is what matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerra Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 I am puzzled as to what the discussion is about! Lady G to me seems to have made her mind up before the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machpoint005 Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, Laurie.Booth said: I would trust my gut feeling, and I think LadyG should. LadyG seems to have doubts -- or why bother to ask us opinionated old farts? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyG Posted June 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, Laurie.Booth said: I would trust my gut feeling, and I think LadyG should. agree its the same with any major purchase, in fact any purchase, from a pizza to palace, 1 minute ago, Jerra said: I am puzzled as to what the discussion is about! Lady G to me seems to have made her mind up before the OP. je suis OP, 3 minutes ago, Machpoint005 said: LadyG seems to have doubts -- or why bother to ask us opinionated old farts? I like to make sure l have not missed something glaringly obvious, ty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerra Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, LadyG said: je suis OP, OP as in original post i.e. to me you seem to have known what you intended to do before posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, LadyG said: agree its the same with any major purchase, in fact any purchase, from a pizza to palace, je suis OP, I think Jerra used the initials in the sense of "Original Post" rather than "Poster". I see nothing wrong or unusual about making a decision and then seeking approval for that decision from people with experience in that field. EDITED TO ADD: my post and Jerra's collided, or rather coincided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyG Posted June 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 6 minutes ago, Machpoint005 said: Because you are averse to a gamble (or that was my interpretation of your previous post). "Walk away" does not mean "pay the full price", it means "find another boat". I thought you meant walk away from this one, obviously the main thing is to find a boat, buy it and live happily ever after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycloud Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 1 hour ago, LadyG said: If he agrees to a price subject to survey, and the survey suggests £1K needs to bespent, he is lookig at a discount of £1j I think his sale price expects £1950 off, so that he can take a solid offer this week, or wait for an unknown buyer to give him £35 k t some unknown tme. So, I think, i am offering him cash today, no risk tomorrow. Our boat was up for £35k and we took a gamble (based on 1 year old survey) and got it for £29,000. 4 Years later we had a survey and the measurements were the same as the one we saw at the brokers, so for us it paid off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naughty Cal Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 35 minutes ago, LadyG said: I would only buy something which looks like it was not a gamble worse case scenario, i lose the lot, best case scenario. i double my money, both unlikely. Any one can tart something up to make it look better than it really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hounddog Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) 26 minutes ago, LadyG said: I like to make sure l have not missed something glaringly obvious, ty Yes, you have but whether there's any telling you or not is another matter. There have been a number of people come to this forum, on Facebook and people I meet on the canal in recent times and said "it looks like a beautiful boat / it's had recent work done / it's not very old / my heart says yes". To them the best advice is if you're not experienced with boats get a survey. A fair few of them have been back reporting serious problems. Against that there are the people who say "I never get a survey" or "surveyors can be crap too". They are generally people who know a bit about boats. The number that end up in dock with £10k quotes is astonishing. If you think you can tell the condition of 10 year metal that's been sat around in a stagnant ditch without seeing it, measuring it or hitting it with a hammer then you're clever than most. I have been boating for donkey's years. I wouldn't buy any boat that I didn't personally know without seeing it out of the water, not ever. The boat's going to cost you £35,000, a hull survey will cost you £500. It's a no-brainer. so, I'll say it once. Get a survey. Edited June 15, 2017 by hounddog 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob-M Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 I would be offering £30k cash with no survey if I thought it was the right boat and had no suspicions that the seller was trying to hide anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naughty Cal Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 13 minutes ago, Psycloud said: Our boat was up for £35k and we took a gamble (based on 1 year old survey) and got it for £29,000. 4 Years later we had a survey and the measurements were the same as the one we saw at the brokers, so for us it paid off. Our boat was for sale for £38k and was 5 years old , this was 9 years ago. The boat was a brokers stock boat. After much haggling we agreed on a price of £35k on the understanding that they fixed anything that the survey highlighted. The survey found many mainly small items that were all fixed. When we later got a paper copy of the receipt for these works the parts and labour totalled over £3k. Had we not had the survey we would have had to do these works. The survey cost £450 . It saved us a lot of money. 7 minutes ago, Rob-M said: I would be offering £30k cash with no survey if I thought it was the right boat and had no suspicions that the seller was trying to hide anything. I would be going in lower still for cash with no survey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Dog Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 55 minutes ago, Athy said: CWDF at its best: two sincerely offered and diametrically opposed pieces of advice! And neither will make a scrap of difference to the intentions of the seeker of said advice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyG Posted June 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) Opinion is valuable, I am willng to pay £30k and take a [ten percent risk, on a boat which seems a darn good boat. Edited June 15, 2017 by LadyG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurie Booth Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, LadyG said: Opinion is valuable, I am willng to pay £30k and take a [ten percent risk, on a boat which seems a darn good boat. Excellent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyG Posted June 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) 48 minutes ago, hounddog said: Yes, you have but whether there's any telling you or not is another matter. There have been a number of people come to this forum, on Facebook and people I meet on the canal in recent times and said "it looks like a beautiful boat / it's had recent work done / it's not very old / my heart says yes". To them the best advice is if you're not experienced with boats get a survey. A fair few of them have been back reporting serious problems. Against that there are the people who say "I never get a survey" or "surveyors can be crap too". They are generally people who know a bit about boats. The number that end up in dock with £10k quotes is astonishing. If you think you can tell the condition of 10 year metal that's been sat around in a stagnant ditch without seeing it, measuring it or hitting it with a hammer then you're clever than most. I have been boating for donkey's years. I wouldn't buy any boat that I didn't personally know without seeing it out of the water, not ever. The boat's going to cost you £35,000, a hull survey will cost you £500. It's a no-brainer. so, I'll say it once. Get a survey. OK, but I will be hitting it with a hammer., I am experienced with boats, I mean proper boats, not sardine tins. lol I have a senior surveyor on standby the main point here is that I tell vendor: here is 30k, today [almost] or £35 next month/some time in he future subject to deduction for survey notifications, Edited June 15, 2017 by LadyG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hurley Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 Why not post a link to the boat, or have i missed it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyG Posted June 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Mike Hurley said: Why not post a link to the boat, or have i missed it? I dont want anyone else seeing such a smart boat , am busy counting the cash in my own wallet, ty. I posted links to boats where I felt I neede advice on tne boat Edited June 15, 2017 by LadyG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty69 Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 1 minute ago, LadyG said: I dont want anyone else seeing such a smart boat lol Too late, i just bought it to use as a tender 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hurley Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, LadyG said: I dont want anyone else seeing such a smart boat ,am busy counting the csh in my wallet, ty. Ah, ok then, good luck, if it feels right then do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naughty Cal Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, LadyG said: I dont want anyone else seeing such a smart boat ,am busy counting the csh in my wallet, ty. Is there not an 8k limit on cash transactions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingle Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Naughty Cal said: Is there not an 8k limit on cash transactions? Depends how heavy the suitcase is that you're carrying it in! You may need to provide evidence for money laundering over a certain amount I suppose... No idea what that may be, not sure it even matters... Someone will be along shortly no doubt Edited June 15, 2017 by Dingle Stupid predictive blah blah blah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 1 hour ago, LadyG said: Opinion is valuable, I am willng to pay £30k and take a [ten percent risk, on a boat which seems a darn good boat. Have you seen it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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