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[Phil Ambrose]

2 hours ago, LadyG said:

UPDATE

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/192168545519?euid=ad92915308b34bd086d1b5c80514bfa3&bu=43105217050&cp=1&sojTags=bu=bu

I agree with the pricing and apreciate comments on the engine,  however it was surveyed, and some mods made, but the hull was stated to be better than most modern boats. The survey is available.

You have to remember that older boats used British Steel, modern boats use Chinese, so they need to be thicker.

The owners state they removed the SF stove due to dirt, the whole boat has obviously been re fitted out in the last few years.

I am not sure what you mean about 30hp under a cruiser deck?

I am not keen on a cruiser type, but that is something I can only decide after viewing a few.

sorry but wrong about steel. Steel is like a cake, made to a strict recipe  and provided the recipe is adhered to it doesn't matter were it is made.

Phil 

[LadyG]

13 minutes ago, Captain Pegg said:

I am with Neil2 and system 4-50 on the steel issue.

There is a lot of rubbish spouted on this subject on the forum so from now on I shall always challenge it as LadyG seems to have taken some of it as read. I suspect it was the poster who stated 'post-2000 boats are base with Chinese steel' or something to that effect.

Steel is steel. Age and provenance make little to now difference in the composition and the Quinc

 

With respect Capt P, that is just not true, there are more types of steel than you can imagine, there is stainless, and that alone has numerous grades. 

There is rebar, sheet steel etc

www.steelconstruction.info/Material_selection_and_product_specification

 

 

Edited May 21, 2017 by LadyG

[rusty69]

4 minutes ago, LadyG said:

With respect Capt P, that is just not true, there are more types of steel than you can imagine, there is stainless, and that alone has numerous grades. 

I used to buy hose from China, special stuff for military use, among others, and we did not use Chinese hose on RAF equipment, yet it was supposed to be the same spec.

Now theres an idea, a stainless steel narrowboat 

 

If it was made in Britain it could be the SS Great Britain! 

Edited May 21, 2017 by rusty69

[cereal tiller]

3 minutes ago, rusty69 said:

Now theres an idea, a stainless steel narrowboat 

 

If it was made in Britain it could be the SS Great Britain! 

Rusty,counselling may help?in the meantime ,have a Greenie

[rusty69]

Just now, cereal tiller said:

Rusty,counselling may help?in the meantime ,have a Greenie

It hasn't so far, but thanks anyway CT. 

[ditchcrawler]

11 minutes ago, rusty69 said:

Now theres an idea, a stainless steel narrowboat 

 

If it was made in Britain it could be the SS Great Britain! 

Didn't someone build one.

[cereal tiller]

1 minute ago, ditchcrawler said:

Didn't someone build one.

Brunel!

[rusty69]

7 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said:

Didn't someone build one.

Yeah, Brunel! 

 

Seriously, i don't know. Expect it would be expensive and heavy. 

 

Damn that pescy CT beat me to my witty retort. 

Edited May 21, 2017 by rusty69

[Captain Pegg]

9 minutes ago, LadyG said:

With respect Capt P, that is just not true, there are more types of steel than you can imagine, there is stainless, and that alone has numerous grades. 

There is rebar, sheet steel etc

www.steelconstruction.info/Material_selection_and_product_specification

 

 

I referred to 99% in my finished post which was a broad brush figure for boats made in ordinary mild steel. It is very unlikely you will find a boat made in alloy steel. 99% is almost certainly an underestimate but I am aware of one boat that was made from stainless steel and about eight from copper bearing (alloy) steel in the 1930s.

Stop over thinking things. If you buy a steel hulled boat it will be made of mild steel and you will not have a clue where that steel was made but it very very very probably won't have been in China.

JP

 

[LadyG]

18 minutes ago, Phil Ambrose said:

sorry but wrong about steel. Steel is like a cake, made to a strict recipe  and provided the recipe is adhered to it doesn't matter were it is made.

Phil 

Well, you do know that recipes are constantly tweaked to provide more profit.  Mr Kipling knows all about that, and as for Cadbury well, what can I say, they call it chocolate,  oh no its not called that any more! 

[Captain Pegg]

1 minute ago, LadyG said:

Well, you do know that recipes are constantly tweaked to provide more profit.  Mr Kipling knows all about that, and as for Cadbury well, what can I say, they call it chocolate,  oh no its not called that any more! 

When I said there were a few other folk on the forum who know some stuff about steel Phil was one of those I had in mind. Listen to him. He is right. Cakes are not a controlled internationally traded commodity.

Why argue the toss on irrelevant points of detail? That isn't helping you find a boat.

JP

[LadyG]

7 minutes ago, Captain Pegg said:

When I said there were a few other folk on the forum who know some stuff about steel Phil was one of those I had in mind. Listen to him. He is right. Cakes are not a controlled internationally traded commodity.

Why argue the toss on irrelevant points of detail? That isn't helping you find a boat.

JP

I am entitled to challenge such statements, and draw my own conclusions.

I think it is relevant detail as hull surveys indicate thickness and also pitting, if the steel started as 6 mm and twenty years later it is 5.75, then that is a different matter than a boat that started as 10mm and two years later is 5.75mm

and chocolate is an internationally traded commodity btw

Edited May 21, 2017 by LadyG

[system 4-50]

If some chocolate starts out at 10mm and ends up at 5mm and another chocolate starts out at 6mm and ends up at 5.75mm ten minutes later then I would suspect the environment the chocolate was kept in before the quality of the chocolate itself. Particularly if it its Lindor.

[Graham Davis]

9 minutes ago, LadyG said:

I am entitled to challenge such statements, and draw my own conclusions.

I think it is relevant detail as hull surveys indicate thickness and also pitting, if the steel started as 6 mm and twenty years later it is 5.75, then that is a different matter than a boat that started as 10mm and two years later is 5.75mm

and chocolate is an internationally traded commodity btw

You really don't get it, do you?

Your boat will be made of a worldwide specification for mild steel, as has been said by a few forum experts. I doubt that any boat seller knows what that spec is or even cares. 

To be honest, if you keep up this antagonistic attitude to forum experts you will find that you will get less and less advice. I will repeat what others have said, stop looking on the web, take a few days off and get out there and LOOK at boats.

[cereal tiller]

29 minutes ago, rusty69 said:

Yeah, Brunel! 

 

Seriously, i don't know. Expect it would be expensive and heavy. 

 

Damn that pescy CT beat me to my witty retort. 

Expensive?no problem,it was commissioned by the Sultan of Brunelai

[rusty69]

1 minute ago, cereal tiller said:

Expensive?no problem,it was commissioned by the Sultan of Brunelai

Wanna borrow my councillor? 

[LadyG]

2 minutes ago, Graham Davis said:

You really don't get it, do you?

Your boat will be made of a worldwide specification for mild steel, as has been said by a few forum experts. I doubt that any boat seller knows what that spec is or even cares. 

To be honest, if you keep up this antagonistic attitude to forum experts you will find that you will get less and less advice. I will repeat what others have said, stop looking on the web, take a few days off and get out there and LOOK at boats.

OK, I'll do that when the time is right. 

[cereal tiller]

1 minute ago, rusty69 said:

Wanna borrow my councillor? 

No,he is hopeless,I gave him your name

[Captain Pegg]

23 minutes ago, LadyG said:

I am entitled to challenge such statements, and draw my own conclusions.

I think it is relevant detail as hull surveys indicate thickness and also pitting, if the steel started as 6 mm and twenty years later it is 5.75, then that is a different matter than a boat that started as 10mm and two years later is 5.75mm

and chocolate is an internationally traded commodity btw

If you to want to challenge me ask me why I think what I do not just post some stuff about types of steel sections off the internet.

As it happens I have 25 years of experience in the specification, assurance and development of alloy steels that are pretty much unique to my industry including carrying the overall accountability for their safety and performance in an environment where steel is worked up to - and occassionally beyond - the limit of its strength.

And to bust another myth about recycled washing machines in foreign steel pretty much if not all of the steel reinforcement bar made in the UK comes from a plant in Cardiff which uses 100% scrap as its source material in the electric arc furnace method of making steel. But it comes out the same as the stuff made in the primary iron and steel works down the road in Port Talbot.

JP

Edited May 21, 2017 by Captain Pegg

[lulu fish]

I bet the folk at Whilton love getting tons of people turning up for a day out browsing boats that they have no intentions of buying.  It's no wonder most of the boats there look a mess with sightseers traipsing through all day.

[LadyG]

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Edited May 21, 2017 by LadyG

[LadyG]

14 minutes ago, Captain Pegg said:

If you to want to challenge me ask me why I think what I do not just post some stuff about types of steel sections off the internet.

As it happens I have 25 years of experience in the specification, assurance and development of alloy steels that are pretty much unique to my industry including carrying the overall accountability for their safety and performance in an environment where steel is worked up to - and occassionally beyond - the limit of its strength.

And to bust another myth about recycled washing machines in foreign steel pretty much if not all of the steel reinforcement bar made in the UK comes from a plant in Cardiff which uses 100% scrap as its source material in the electric arc furnace method of making steel. But it comes out the same as the stuff made in the primary iron and steel works down the road in Port Talbot.

JP

I stand corrected, but you have to realise with folks on the internet, half spout rubbish, that's not an exact half.................

and you did say "steel is steel"

11 minutes ago, lulu fish said:

I bet the folk at Whilton love getting tons of people turning up for a day out browsing boats that they have no intentions of buying.  It's no wonder most of the boats there look a mess with sightseers traipsing through all day.

I suspect most of the boats look a mess cos that is just exactly what they are...................

Edited May 21, 2017 by LadyG

[rusty69]

2 minutes ago, LadyG said:

I stand corrected, but you have to realise with folks on the internet, half spout rubbish, that's not an exact half.................

How do you know which half? 

24 minutes ago, system 4-50 said:

If some chocolate starts out at 10mm and ends up at 5mm and another chocolate starts out at 6mm and ends up at 5.75mm ten minutes later then I would suspect the environment the chocolate was kept in before the quality of the chocolate itself. Particularly if it its Lindor.

The only chocolate boat i know, is the Bournville one. 

[Dyertribe]

It strikes me that if you are just going to argue with all and every piece of advice you receive in response to your posts it wont be long before those with experience and knowledge will cease to bother to reply. The boating equivalent of crying wolf really. 

Our hope is to retire and then spend a year or so exploring the canal system. This will mean buying a boat. I will ask opinion and advice from this forum but we will have done the groundwork first and only ask opinion on the shortlist. That way we can expect good advice from experienced people keen to help rather than frustrated comments from the bored and fatigued forum members.

So you live in Scotland, your bad. So the boats are all further south, ditto. The internet is a poor substitute for real life. This applies to all things including buying a boat.

Edited May 21, 2017 by Dyertribe

[The Grumpy Triker]

1 hour ago, system 4-50 said:

"You have to remember that older boats used British Steel, modern boats use Chinese, so they need to be thicker."

I don't believe this. With the benefit of no technical knowledge whatsoever. 

I contracted at a steelworks and there is a huge difference in quality, especially for surface finish on particular grades of steel. Chinese steel will pit more, rust faster and not be as strong - 'pint for pint' so to speak - British Steel, especially from the 80s & 90s is even better quality I'm told.....not a specialist but was taught a lot by some intelligent steel specialists.....their steel slabs have all sorts of impurities and lower grade Quality Controls.

can't use Chinese steel in cars as its chemical composition is too inconsistent for pressing into panels and big structures not favoured with Chinese stuff.

....all very general but Given the choice I know which one I'd choose