Not got a boat, yet

[rusty69]

Just now, LadyG said:

just find a farmer with a great big empty shed preferably next to a canal, or buy house with a big garden, and fill it with boats

Mmmmmm and a crane

[LadyG]

4 minutes ago, rusty69 said:

Some of these are not boat costs but living costs. 300 quid for internet? 

At the moment I pay BT up to £50  pcm, that is what it costs to have good internt and make a few phone calls.

It is an essential cost, as far as I am concerned, the comparative costs ofliving for my flat are the same.

Edited May 21, 2017 by LadyG

[rusty69]

1 minute ago, Edders said:

This one appears to be appreciating.

http://narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/feature.phtml?id=514161

But not selling! 

[LadyG]

1 minute ago, rusty69 said:

But not selling! 

ooooooooooooooooooooooh, look at those rivets!

I can't believe they bought a vase to match the upholstery, or was it the other way round?

Edited May 21, 2017 by LadyG

[Ange]

1 hour ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

You are rather missing my point. You won't actually get to know what is a suitable boat and what is unsuitable until you have lived on one for a year at least. Your first boat WILL be a mistake no matter how much 'research' you do in advance.

 

?????

Our first boat was NOT a mistake and I know a lot of people still living on their first boat and very happy with it.

[rusty69]

4 minutes ago, LadyG said:

At the moment I pay BT up to £50  pcm, that is what it costs to have good internt and make a few phone calls.

It is an essential cost, as far as I am concerned, the comparative costs ofliving for my flat are the same.

Ah ok, i didn't realise you were including living costs in your 2 to 5 k quoted figure. 

[LadyG]

31 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

Why does it ?
There are 'waters' where you don't need a licence, where you don't need a BSSC, where you can pay a 'farmer' a bit of pocket money for a mooring - you could even try going to sea - you don't even need insurance.

You have said that you will CC - so how do you arrive at your costs ?

 

Boating can cost you however much you want it to cost you, don't get any preconceived ideas - options are available.

I have no intention of going to sea in a bath tub, I suppose I could find this farmer who is acting fraudulently, then poach his rabbits, using the tunnel light for "lamping", and get the fishing rod out at night to catch a big fat coarse fish for breakfast.

I have calculated costs as anyone would do, I don t expect to cruise 12 months of the year, I may well want the option of a nice cosy marina. I really don't want to give up on socialising and civilistaion 100%

Maintenance .............. blacking, surveying, painting, its easy to spend a few hundred in a day if the engine coughs and splutters.

 

Edited May 21, 2017 by LadyG

[Alan de Enfield]

10 minutes ago, LadyG said:

Licence 880

Insurance 120

maintenance 1000

upgrades  300

coal 300

gas 100

wood 50

diesel 250

mooring 1000

internet 300

phone 200

TOTAL £4,500

and I might decide I can't cope with cc any more, and have to pay for C/Tax and marina fees ............. maybe an extra £2000

I have no intention of hiding in the cut from the  CRT, or the EA, the idea is to get out and about, enjoy my retirement.

Yes I may find a mooring at the end of a farmers field, but I don't intend to live in the middle of nowhere with no opportunity to socialise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So you live in a house - do you not have any heating bills, maintenance, insurance etc etc - lets delete from your list what are 'living costs' which you would have to pay if you live in a house or a boat.

You would also have Council tax to pay in your house - which many would 'offsett' against mooring costs  - looks to me as if boating may cost you £880 per annum above your current housing costs.

[Graham Davis]

8 minutes ago, LadyG said:

Licence 880  LEGIT BOATING COST

Insurance 120 LEGIT BOATING COST

maintenance 1000 HOW HAVE YOU WORKED THAT FIGURE OUT?

upgrades  300 UPGRADES TO/FOR WHAT? 

coal 300 LIVING COST!

gas 100 LIVING COST!

wood 50 LIVING COST AND YOU CAN OFTEN GET IT FREE!

diesel 250 I'LL AGREE THAT ONE BUT YOU WOULD PAY THAT IF YOU HAD A CAR

mooring 1000 THOUGHT YOU WERE ON ABOUT CONTINUOUSLY CRUISING

internet 300 LIVING COST

phone 200 LIVING COST

TOTAL £4,500 SEE ABOVE AND RE-CALCULATE.

and I might decide I can't cope with cc any more, and have to pay for C/Tax and marina fees ............. maybe an extra £2000

I have no intention of hiding in the cut from the  CRT, or the EA, the idea is to get out and about, enjoy my retirement. NO-ONE HAS SUGGESTED THAT.

Yes I may find a mooring at the end of a farmers field, but I don't intend to live in the middle of nowhere with no opportunity to socialise. YOU CAN SOCIALISE ANYWHERE!

Strikes me you still haven't got the idea of what canal boating is, and are still putting "bankside" views into the equation.

And people are right, stop looking at boats on the internet, get down into the Midlands for a few days and actually LOOK at real boats. One will find YOU, not you find one.

[Alan de Enfield]

2 minutes ago, LadyG said:

I have no intention ofgoing to sea in a bath tub, 

You could get an excellent sea-going boat for less than the pr

ice of some of the sewer-tubes you are considering

[lulu fish]

Don't get overwhelmed by all the advice you have been given in this thread, and don't assume it is all good advice and comes from knowledgeable sources. 

[rusty69]

1 minute ago, lulu fish said:

Don't get overwhelmed by all the advice you have been given in this thread, and don't assume it is all good advice and comes from knowledgeable sources. 

Thats the trouble with internet forums you don't know what is good advice and what isn't, bit like life outside the forum. 

[LadyG]

14 minutes ago, rusty69 said:

Ah ok, i didn't realise you were including living costs in your 2 to 5 k quoted figure. 

Well, only the essential costs which would be different from housing, so groceries would be about the same.

12 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

So you live in a house - do you not have any heating bills, maintenance, insurance etc etc - lets delete from your list what are 'living costs' which you would have to pay if you live in a house or a boat.

You would also have Council tax to pay in your house - which many would 'offsett' against mooring costs  - looks to me as if boating may cost you £880 per annum above your current housing costs.

correct, I calculated £500 more than living in my flat, after all that is what I need to know.

I just extracted the costs quickly, but essentially I get rid of my motor costs and increase other costs, yes, maintenenance is a biggy, but supposing I needed a new engine ............. that s 4K straight away.

Edited May 21, 2017 by LadyG

[rusty69]

1 hour ago, LadyG said:

Well, only the essential costs which would be different from housing, so groceries would be about the same

I wouldn't bet on that.!

Edited May 21, 2017 by rusty69

[LadyG]

7 minutes ago, rusty69 said:

Thats the trouble with internet forums you don't know what is good advice and what isn't, bit like life outside the forum. 

I think I am "standing my ground", no problem, I can imagine what my family are going to say, and I have all the answers ready

[Alan de Enfield]

14 minutes ago, LadyG said:

I suppose I could find this farmer who is acting fraudulently

Why do you suppose that ?

 

You appear to have very blinkered thinking,

Have a read of the Leigh Ravenscroft thread (he is the one taking C&RT to court)

[LadyG]

11 minutes ago, rusty69 said:

I wouldn't bet on that. 

I would be able to pick veg in season if I selected my mooring carefully

7 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

Why do you suppose that ?

 

You appear to have very blinkered thinking,

Have a read of the Leigh Ravenscroft thread (he is the one taking C&RT to court)

This is in response to the poster who suggested I find an impoverished farmer who needed my cash, in his pocket, not through the books.

I have no desire to get involved in any dispute with anyone, the CRT have their rules, I won't be taking them to court, maybe the other way round if I have no licence?

And the HMCE/ Inland Revenue might be knocking onmy door too, if I havebeen giving folks cash in hand. Its ridiculous to pay lumps of cash, it means the guy you are dealing with is probably not contributing to taxation.

Edited May 21, 2017 by LadyG

[Alan de Enfield]

2 minutes ago, LadyG said:

 

THis is in response to the poster who suggested I find an impoverished farmer who needed my cash, in his pocket, not through the books.

What books ?

Why is paying the farmer fraud ?

The farmer owns the bank & the river to the centre line. C&RT have no control as to who he allows to moor.

You have been reading too much of C&RTs propaganda.

[The Grumpy Triker]

4 minutes ago, LadyG said:

I would be able to pick veg in season if I selected my mooring carefully

THis is in response to the poster who suggested I find an impoverished farmer who needed my cash, in his pocket, not through the books.

Have to say that I had a clear idea of what I wanted....or so I thought....but I took a long weekend and travelled around Rugby, Nottingham, Stafford and Worcester areas and just looked at loads ( Whilton is very good for this window shopping).

i was NOT getting a 60' but that is exactly what I did go for (slightly different requirement to yourself but), I nearly bought a Full Trad and a Semi-Trad despite wanting a Cruiser stern ....I got a bit desperate as the market is silly at the moment (I should have gone for it last year but held back), the main thing was that by walking around them all I got a real feel for what felt good and what didn't, the ideal boat in my mind turned out to be really uncomfortable when I was in it.

i'm glad I spent the time walking around, even those I knew I wouldn't buy, as it gave me a lot of food for thought.

2 weeks until the survey on mine....fingers crossed!...and good luck to you whatever you go for.

[LadyG]

33 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

You could get an excellent sea-going boat for less than the pr

ice of some of the sewer-tubes you are considering

My sea going days are over. 

I have relinquished my good sea going boat [they can cost an arm and a leg to maintain by the way]

Just tell me when I stumble over a decent boat, they can 't ALL be sewer-tubes.

I have two to view at Tattenhall, there may be others, but I can't take time off to just wander round a marina, as I explained before, I live in Scotland, and it cots about £100 per day or more to go and look at anything, but I need to start with the more likely ones.

You don't go to a Jaguar Dealer when you want a second hand Nova

Edited May 21, 2017 by LadyG

[rusty69]

11 minutes ago, LadyG said:

have no desire to get involved in any dispute with anyone, the CRT have their rules, I won't be taking them to court, maybe the other way round if I have no licence?

Why would you have no license on crt waters? 

[Athy]

2 minutes ago, LadyG said:

 

Just tell me when I stumble over a decent boat, they can 't ALL be sewer-tubes.

It's a derogatory term used by people who have other types of boat to describe ALL narrowboats regardless of quality. So the knackered Harborough Marine and the burnished Hudson are both sewer-tubes in their eyes.

[LadyG]

40 minutes ago, Ange said:

?????

Our first boat was NOT a mistake and I know a lot of people still living on their first boat and very happy with it.

thank goodness, there are some happy people on here

Edited May 21, 2017 by LadyG

[Alan de Enfield]

I give up.

It is impossible to 'hold a conversation with you' when you edit / change your posts after there have been replies.

It looks as if you have edited every post.

 

PS - GRP boats are called 'tupperware' (just to balance the sewer-tube comment)

[rusty69]

1 hour ago, Alan de Enfield said:

I give up.

It is impossible to 'hold a conversation with you' when you edit / change your posts after there have been replies.

It looks as if you have edited every post.

 

PS - GRP boats are called 'tupperware' (just to balance the sewer-tube comment)

Calm down Alan, the OP would rather you are happy rather than informative! 

Edited May 21, 2017 by rusty69