Stolen Boat

[junior]

I blame Jeremy Corbyn 

[MtB]

On 11/05/2017 at 15:55, Keeping Up said:

Isn't it rather odd if it disappeared from Blisworth and was last seen leaving Stoke Bruerne locks, that it was found at bridge 42 ?

 

Stop speculating. Alan disapproves!!

(No idea why though. I feel driven to try to understand a set of fishy and contradictory circumstances. Is this wrong for some reason?)

[Ray T]

On 5/11/2017 at 15:41, dmr said:

I have also been told that if you ask for a tow you should throw them your rope rather than accepting their rope (or is it t'other way about?) for a similar reason. Lumpy water sailors are very wary of the salvage thing.

..............Dave

If the skipper of a disabled boat at sea asks for a tow to safety he must negotiate terms of recovery and hand the towing boat his rope.

When life is in danger it is incumbent that people are rescued. It would be a mean person that rescued others then tried to claim salvage.  

http://www.rya.org.uk/newsevents/e-newsletters/inbrief/Pages/towage-and-salvage.aspx

Generally speaking, recreational boaters are happy to help each other out and it is unusual for those offering assistance to claim salvage. However, if you are worried about a claim for salvage being made, it is usually cheaper to agree a payment for assistance in advance rather than to leave it to be determined after the event.

Salvage without prior agreement

If you find yourself subject to a salvage claim without prior agreement; for example if your boat has been salvaged without your knowledge after it has broken free of its moorings or any such circumstances where salvage is unavoidable, most insurance policies require immediate written notice of any accident or of any claim. No negotiations, payments, settlements, admissions or terminations of any claim should be made without the written consent of the insurers.

If a salvage claim arises after your boat has been saved, notify your insurers straight away and leave the negotiations to them

The laws of salvage do not apply on the cut.

If they did imagine the scenario, -  "Honest guv, I found this £90k Hudson not secured to the bank and floating in the middle of the cut."

Edited May 12, 2017 by Ray T

[Chewbacka]

3 hours ago, Paul C said:

Adverts aren't fixed to the article on Facebook, but are custom-selected for each visitor based on their internet browsing habits.

Very good.

[lulu fish]

5 hours ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

Yes it's a tricky one isn't it? 

If (hypotherically) the yard is owed a pile of money in unpaid mooring fees but get no response writing to the owner, should they actually want the boat back?

On one hand, they can perhaps arrest the boat and/or set up a lien on it for the continuingly accrueing unpaid mooring fees. On the other hand they might prefer to get rid of the boat and rent the space to a hassle-free paying moorer. In which case how does one get rid of a boat when the owner cannot be reached?

One idea would be to tow it a few miles up the cut and moor it on the towpath, then 'discover' it has been unfortunately 'stolen'  

In this hypothetical situation, why would they tow it away and dump it when they could sell it and recover the monies owed to them?

[Athy]

3 minutes ago, lulu fish said:

In this hypothetical situation, why would they tow it away and dump it when they could sell it and recover the monies owed to them?

Did you see the state of it? It would be a hard one to sell.

[MtB]

On 11/05/2017 at 17:53, lulu fish said:

In this hypothetical situation, why would they tow it away and dump it when they could sell it and recover the monies owed to them?

 

Now you're just being silly. 

Who would buy a boat from a seller unable to prove ownership?

[lulu fish]

1 minute ago, Athy said:

Did you see the state of it? It would be a hard one to sell.

Knackered old boats sell very quickly at the moment as long as it isn't stupidly priced. There are a lot of people on low budgets looking for a "fixer upper" to live on.  I bet you could put that on the market for £15k and sell it instantly.

[lulu fish]

5 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

Now you're just being silly. 

Who would buy a boat from a seller unable to prove ownership?

Well, a lot of people.  Most new buyers haven't got a clue.

But, if the marina was selling it to recover debts owed to them they would have to obtain permission from the court to do it.  This would prove their right to sell it much more clearly than most boats that get sold.

Edited May 11, 2017 by lulu fish

[MtB]

On 11/05/2017 at 18:03, lulu fish said:

Well, a lot of people.  Most new buyers haven't got a clue.

If the marina was selling it to recover debts owed to them they would have to obtain permission from the court to do it.  This would eprove their right to sell it much more clearly than most boats that get sold.

 

Ah yes. That sounds far quicker and a shedload less trouble than towing it up the cut and mooring it up out of the way, then getting on with renting the space to a paying customer.

Not.

[lulu fish]

Just now, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

Ah yes. That sounds far quicker and a shedload less trouble than towing it up the cut and mooring it up out of the way, then getting on with renting the space to a paying customer.

Not.

It is a fairly quick and easy process, and well worth doing if you are owed several thousand pounds.  

[MtB]

On 11/05/2017 at 18:08, lulu fish said:

It is a fairly quick and easy process, and well worth doing if you are owed several thousand pounds.  

 

"Afairly quick and easy process" is not a term I usually associate with using the courts to recover debts.

Especially when the debtor is missing.

[zenataomm]

I recall a known boater who has always liked old tugs trying to pull a towage/salvage stunt like that.

While boating on holiday on the lower regions of The Trent he chanced upon a family on board a broken down n.b.

It seems they moored not far from his own home mooring.  He offered to tow them back home, they keenly accepted.

Upon arrival he presented them with an invoice quoting eye watering rates.  They weren't impressed, commenting that they had intended to offer him cash towards the fuel and a meal out.  However at no time had there been any suggestion they had commissioned him to tow them home.

There was some intention to go to court, until it was pointed out, his boat wasn't commercially licensed, his insurance didn't cover such paid activity and where was the contract?

 

 

[lulu fish]

1 minute ago, Mike the Boilerman said:

 

"Afairly quick and easy process" is not a term I usually associate with using the courts to recover debts.

Especially when the debtor is missing.

Maybe you should stick to commenting on subjects you know more about then?

 

[MtB]

On 11/05/2017 at 18:17, lulu fish said:

Maybe you should stick to commenting on subjects you know more about then?

 

 

I was only following your example

[BWM]

16 hours ago, junior said:

I blame Jeremy Corbyn 

He's not in the frame, apparently the thieves were strong and stable..

[mark99]

11 minutes ago, BWM said:

He's not in the frame, apparently the thieves were strong and stable..

Oh I dunno it started well albeit he chose a basket case example and it all ended up a complete failure.

[Tim Lewis]

19 hours ago, Paul C said:

Adverts aren't fixed to the article on Facebook, but are custom-selected for each visitor based on their internet browsing habits.

Never quite understand this targeted advertising

 

[Tacet]

17 hours ago, alan_fincher said:

I have seen most that suggests Blisworth Tunnel Boat s have any interest in the boat beyond knowing some of the back story.

The boat was not moored at BTB, but at an offside mooring the other side of the road bridge.

A huge amount of speculation in this thread, almost none of which seems to be supported by any known facts.

That's CWDF for you these days though!

Blisworth Tunnel Boats operate the offisde mooring pictured.

[manxmike]

My word, someone else's boat being stolen/moved/claimed/returned/abandoned/etc/etc seems to raise some heated exchanges between otherwise calm and peaceful people.

Just imagine how this thread might have gone if someone actually knew the owner?

Relax, have another drink and admire the lovely scenery (especially if you're on facebook looking at lonely Keshi.ta)

[Alan de Enfield]

23 minutes ago, Tim Lewis said:

Never quite understand this targeted advertising

 

Yes - who on earth would want to read 'Canal Boat' when the options above it are available ?

[Peter X]

I was wondering why the Guardian couldn't make up its mind whether Spurs or West Ham were the home team.

Someone should explain to keshi that a question should end with a question mark. Ta!

[MtB]

On 12/05/2017 at 08:53, manxmike said:

My word, someone else's boat being stolen/moved/claimed/returned/abandoned/etc/etc seems to raise some heated exchanges between otherwise calm and peaceful people.

Just imagine how this thread might have gone if someone actually knew the owner?

Relax, have another drink and admire the lovely scenery (especially if you're on facebook looking at lonely Keshi.ta)

 

Yes had someone here known the owner and asked him for confirmation the boat really was stolen, then the thread would have developed completely differently. Presumably you weren't on here when we've been led on wild goose chases tracking down boats that turned out not to be stolen in the first place or you too would be more skeptical when the owner is not the person asking for help tracking down a supposedly stolen boat.

There was a case here for example where a couple split and the woman turned out to be trying to find her ex on his boat so her new bloke could give him a battering. What if we'd taken that thread at face value and found the boat?

[mross]

Is there any way to tell if a crime number is genuine without phoning the police?  For W. Yorkshire you can enter the number on a website and it would return the first half of the postcode but not much else.

Edited May 12, 2017 by mross

[alan_fincher]

1 hour ago, Tacet said:

Blisworth Tunnel Boats operate the offisde mooring pictured.

I didn't know that.

What they have said about the boat in question is probably pretty accurate then, I think!