Machpoint005 Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Athy said: >> And it's named after a Burton-brewed beer! << Doesn't mean it has a good pedigree, though. Edited May 10, 2017 by Machpoint005 enthusiasm for humour over-rode my typing accuracy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil2 Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 Sorry but I'm completely baffled why that boat has anything going for it over all the others. And you can't even see what it looks like from the outside. If the owner can't be bothered to take some decent external pictures they don't deserve to sell it. Athy only likes it 'cos it has a tractor engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 21 minutes ago, Neil2 said: Sorry but I'm completely baffled why that boat has anything going for it over all the others. And you can't even see what it looks like from the outside. If the owner can't be bothered to take some decent external pictures they don't deserve to sell it. Athy only likes it 'cos it has a tractor engine. Oddly enough I was at the Stradsett Rally two weekends ago and I did see a tractorr with a Perkins engine, P3 I think, are they that common in agricultural use? The interior of the boat is very attractive - but I can see that it's a particular style which would not attract everybody. As for the exterior, I did give a plausible [in my opinion] explanation for the lack of photos. I do agree that more would have been better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stilllearning Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 It is quite a nice boat, and is in Shobnall, but the price needs to come down a fair bit. There is a good surveyor there and the dry dock is excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanM Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Graham Davis said: Is a Worcester combi-boiler approved for boat fitting? I would think that even if it is, it would require a 240V feed to run it. Also how much gas would one of those use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KVico Posted May 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Neil2 said: Sorry but I'm completely baffled why that boat has anything going for it over all the others. And you can't even see what it looks like from the outside. If the owner can't be bothered to take some decent external pictures they don't deserve to sell it. Athy only likes it 'cos it has a tractor engine. I just quite like the style. It seems like the boiler is a problem though? http://www.waterwaysworld.com/questionspost.cgi?post=585 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 It says that the external paintwork needs attention but the one photo of the outside doesn't look too bad. I wonder how recent the photos are? In the photos it doesn't look too bad internally but are these recent photos? haggis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 26 minutes ago, haggis said: It says that the external paintwork needs attention but the one photo of the outside doesn't look too bad. I wonder how recent the photos are? In the photos it doesn't look too bad internally but are these recent photos? haggis Well, if K goes to see it, (s)he'll know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Davis Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 Hopefully our friendly "Boilerman" will be able to tell us about the boiler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 4 hours ago, Graham Davis said: Is a Worcester combi-boiler approved for boat fitting? Is the engine approved for boat fitting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KVico Posted May 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 OK, so probably too much work but how much would it be to remove a boiler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KVico Posted May 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 A Liverpool boats, I think people don't have a good opinion of this maker? But it has solar panels, looks quite nice https://www.apolloduck.com/feature.phtml?id=516412 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 54 minutes ago, KVico said: A Liverpool boats, I think people don't have a good opinion of this maker? But it has solar panels, looks quite nice https://www.apolloduck.com/feature.phtml?id=516412 Doesn't look like a Liverpool Boats shell to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KVico Posted May 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, David Mack said: Doesn't look like a Liverpool Boats shell to me. How can you tell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 18 minutes ago, KVico said: How can you tell? Different builders have different styles. The feature which is most likely to be their trademark is the bow shape. Often it's as distinctive a recognition feature as the radiator grille of a car. Springers and Hudsons are good examples of this. Liverpool boats are noted for a flared design in the steelwork of the bow section. HOWEVER, the company's earlier boats did not have this, and I am not sure when the design was changed. It may have been after 1995, which would explain why this boat doesn't look like most people's idea of a Liverpool. They were mass-produced but that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with them. Our last boat had a Liverpool Boats shell, and it was sturdy, shapely and swam well. (Although, when we came to sell it, the broker noticed that the gunwales on one side were an inch wider than on the other side!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanM Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 2 hours ago, KVico said: A Liverpool boats, I think people don't have a good opinion of this maker? Nothing wrong with our Liverpool Boats boat I think the issues came from the standard of fit-out they did, or didn't do however on something that age any original issues would have been fixed years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 Front door curtain looks to be very close to the fire. Why is there what looks like a wooden board on the floor in the galley? A trip hazard perhaps covering a dodgy floor? Haggis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 On 07/05/2017 at 11:26, Athy said: To me their sound is more evocative of agriculture. Oi quoite loike tractorrrs. I wonder why no one has ever put a Field Marshall engine an a narrowboat - their sound is most soothing. Good point. But hang on, Field Marshall tractors have Bolinder engines IIRC. Who on earth would want to put one of THOSE in a boat??!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KVico Posted May 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 3 hours ago, KVico said: OK, so probably too much work but how much would it be to remove a boiler? Does anyone have a combi boiler on their boat? What do you think of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 3 hours ago, David Mack said: Doesn't look like a Liverpool Boats shell to me. Agree, I have never seen a Liverpool hull like that 58 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said: Good point. But hang on, Field Marshall tractors have Bolinder engines IIRC. Who on earth would want to put one of THOSE in a boat??!! Saw one of those on the back of a lorry going along the A14 a couple of days ago, painted bright orange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Dog Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 1 hour ago, IanM said: Nothing wrong with our Liverpool Boats boat I think the issues came from the standard of fit-out they did, or didn't do... Really? As opposed to this... 2 hours ago, Athy said: (Although, when we came to sell it, the broker noticed that the gunwales on one side were an inch wider than on the other side!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 Liverpool boats were utterly thrown together back in the early 2000s. I used to do PDI checks on them for New Boat Company when they traded out of T&K Marina at Reading and they eventually stopped selling them, so great was the cost and hassle of correcting all the faults we found once craned off the lorry. Then a second (long) snagging list usually came from the customer once they started actually using the boats. NBC decided as a result to sell only the weird Polish boats (Aqualine) which came off the lorry perfect in every way. Virtually never any comebacks with them. Far easier business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 3 hours ago, Athy said: ...........the gunwales on one side were an inch wider than on the other side Then of course there is the (large ?) number of Liverpool boats that are unable to go up the Llangollen Canal due to them being 'banana shape' - no specific part over width, but over the length of the boat they were sufficiently 'oversize' to be unable to fit in the locks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Mike the Boilerman said: Liverpool boats were utterly thrown together back in the early 2000s. I used to do PDI checks on them for New Boat Company when they traded out of T&K Marina at Reading and they eventually stopped selling them, so great was the cost and hassle of correcting all the faults we found once craned off the lorry. Then a second (long) snagging list usually came from the customer once they started actually using the boats. NBC decided as a result to sell only the weird Polish boats (Aqualine) which came off the lorry perfect in every way. Virtually never any comebacks with them. Far easier business. The version of this story which I heard, at the time, was that Alan McNaughton, son of Liverpool Boats boss Stan McNaughton, was one of the original partners who founded the New & Used Boat Co., as I think it was then called. At some point Alan (described to me by his Dad as a "ruthless young businessman") fell out with the others and stomped off back to the family firm, hence their change to a different make. Of course, the falling-out could have been about build quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 23 hours ago, Machpoint005 said: Doesn't mean it has a good pedigree, though. Well, they are from the same brewery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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