Murflynn Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 11 hours ago, peterboat said: London is already introducing a £10 a day charge other cities will follow suit my brother runs 2 classic VWs, a Golf GTI Mk.1 and a Corrado. He has recently moved to France and has discovered that Paris has a system where all cars carry a coloured badge defining their pollution rating. Newish cars are classified according to the manufacturers' figures, older cars are automatically given Class Zero. The city will ban vehicles of certain classes on days where the air quality is below par. Class Zero are expected to be banned most days. Other French cities (and countries?) are expected to follow suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterboat Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Murflynn said: my brother runs 2 classic VWs, a Golf GTI Mk.1 and a Corrado. He has recently moved to France and has discovered that Paris has a system where all cars carry a coloured badge defining their pollution rating. Newish cars are classified according to the manufacturers' figures, older cars are automatically given Class Zero. The city will ban vehicles of certain classes on days where the air quality is below par. Class Zero are expected to be banned most days. Other French cities (and countries?) are expected to follow suit. Doesnt surprise me I have been selling my classic car collection whilst the market is good the ones that are left will be LPG powered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, peterboat said: Doesnt surprise me I have been selling my classic car collection whilst the market is good the ones that are left will be LPG powered Its a sad time selling them off. I had a few cars with 4 PROPER jags included E type, Proper S type a Daimler Double six and a 420 to mention my favourites plus a couple of fab Rileys and Rovers and all had to go when events took over some years ago but hey ho you will survive. The double six and the series 3 " E " Did around 12 to the gallon not this 60 garbage that modern diesels do and for those that think modern cars have awesome performance just google what the " E " type did in 1961 and see how good cars where 56 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, mrsmelly said: Its a sad time selling them off. I had a few cars with 4 PROPER jags included E type, Proper S type a Daimler Double six and a 420 to mention my favourites plus a couple of fab Rileys and Rovers and all had to go when events took over some years ago but hey ho you will survive. The double six and the series 3 " E " Did around 12 to the gallon not this 60 garbage that modern diesels do and for those that think modern cars have awesome performance just google what the " E " type did in 1961 and see how good cars where 56 years ago. I always wanted an S Type. I bought one once for a tenner and it not only failed the MoT, but they issued a Notice on it preventing us driving it away from the MoT station, so rusty was <something important underneath>!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said: I always wanted an S Type. I bought one once for a tenner and it not only failed the MoT, but they issued a Notice on it preventing us driving it away from the MoT station, so rusty was <something important underneath>!! The most sought after model for years was the Mk 11 especialy the 3.8 mod. but for those of us who new cars the s type was a better car. The S had a slightly longer boot and most importantly it had etype type independant rear suspension so was a better drive. Lovely looking cars all of em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 Bank robbers' getaway car of choice in the 60s too, IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzard Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 Fastest speed I ever did on the road was in a Mk ll 3.4. On the first section of the M4 when it first opened, Hammersmith towards Maidenhead. 135 mph so the speedo said. Actually the more docile 2.4 was a smoother drive and plenty fast enough. The earlier ones had Dunlop disc brakes, not terribly powerful, later ones had Girling, more powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, bizzard said: Fastest speed I ever did on the road was in a Mk ll 3.4. On the first section of the M4 when it first opened, Hammersmith towards Maidenhead. 135 mph so the speedo said. Actually the more docile 2.4 was a smoother drive and plenty fast enough. The earlier ones had Dunlop disc brakes, not terribly powerful, later ones had Girling, more powerful. Yeah and proper crossply tyres non of these whimpy modern radials that stick to the road Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cereal tiller Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 19 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said: Bank robbers' getaway car of choice in the 60s too, IIRC. Until most of them got Wrecked in the Sweeney TV Series! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzard Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 No one ever seem to mention the pollution of aircraft. Tons and tons of it being pumped out all the time. Here, on an easterly wind we can smell aircraft exhaust from Stansted airport. Large long haul aircraft use about 18,000 gallons of fuel to fly London-Paris to New York. 3 minutes ago, mrsmelly said: Yeah and proper crossply tyres non of these whimpy modern radials that stick to the road Yes. And on the gentle curves on that M4 I could feel the car wanted to go straight on at that speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty69 Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 minute ago, bizzard said: Here, on an easterly wind we can smell aircraft exhaust from Stansted airport I take it you have a keen sense of smell, or are no longer in Rangoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, bizzard said: No one ever seem to mention the pollution of aircraft. Tons and tons of it being pumped out all the time. Here, on an easterly wind we can smell aircraft exhaust from Stansted airport. Large long haul aircraft use about 18,000 gallons of fuel to fly London-Paris to New York. Yes I notice this too. And to put in in better perspective thats 65 tons of fuel burned just on one flight. The take-off weight of a Jumble Jet is 300 tons, and half of that is fuel. Staggering innit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzard Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, rusty69 said: I take it you have a keen sense of smell, or are no longer in Rangoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 Shipping guzzles the stuff too. I suspect shipping and aviation fuel consumption dwarfs that of cars and lorries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzard Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Mike the Boilerman said: Yes I notice this too. And to put in in better perspective thats 65 tons of fuel burned just on one flight. The take-off weight of a Jumble Jet is 300 tons, and half of that is fuel. Staggering innit. It is. Years ago they did a comparison of fuel consumption. Flying between London and New York, the 747 Jumbo and the Concorde used about the same, 18,000 gals. Hence the very high fare to travel on the Concorde because it only carried about a third of the passengers that a 747 could. Also long haul jets can dump fuel in an emergency in order to loose weight for a diverted landing. This happens more often than people think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, bizzard said: It is. Years ago they did a comparison of fuel consumption. Flying between London and New York, the 747 Jumbo and the Concorde used about the same, 18,000 gals. Hence the very high fare to travel on the Concorde because it only carried about a third of the passengers that a 747 could. Also long haul jets can dump fuel in an emergency in order to loose weight for a diverted landing. This happens more often than people think. Ah yes, and that leads into another thing. The kerosine dumped never gets to the ground because it evaporates on the way down, hence the assault on your snitch that you mention. Avgas, kerosine, diesel are all much the same volatility and I one fixed a boiler for an oil man who laughed at the way the boating fraternity , CRT, EA etc panic if an eggcupful of diesel gets in the river. He says leave it alone for a day and it will be gone from evaporation. In his industry no-one bothers in the slightest about spillage of a tonnes of diesel into the sea. Its the heavy stuff that does the damage. P.S. "Snitch" was common slang for one's nose when I was a brat. Seems to have fallen into disuse these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty69 Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said: P.S. "Snitch" was common slang for one's nose when I was a brat. Seems to have fallen into disuse these days Unless you are a Harry Potter fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzard Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said: Ah yes, and that leads into another thing. The kerosine dumped never gets to the ground because it evaporates on the way down, hence the assault on your snitch that you mention. Avgas, kerosine, diesel are all much the same volatility and I one fixed a boiler for an oil man who laughed at the way the boating fraternity , CRT, EA etc panic if an eggcupful of diesel gets in the river. He says leave it alone for a day and it will be gone from evaporation. In his industry no-one bothers in the slightest about spillage of a tonnes of diesel into the sea. Its the heavy stuff that does the damage. P.S. "Snitch" was common slang for one's nose when I was a brat. Seems to have fallen into disuse these days. Yer snitch itched when vexed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edders Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 40 minutes ago, Mike the Boilerman said: Shipping guzzles the stuff too. I suspect shipping and aviation fuel consumption dwarfs that of cars and lorries. Look at the fuel consumption (and pollution) of Emma Maersk. http://newatlas.com/shipping-pollution/11526/ Tony 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty69 Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 Thats a lot of barrels of oil. I liked the folding Russian motorbike on the same link, and the new helicopter also on the same page. May be suitable for NN if he has a helipad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murflynn Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 http://tfeip-secretariat.org/assets/Meetings/Presentations/Ghent-2014/KKing-London-Domestic-Boilers.pdf worth a read. road transport by far the worst offenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitchellmoxo Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 http://www.thunderstruck-ev.com/electric-sailboat-kits-and-accessories-inboard-motor-ev/ these electric conversion kits kits look quite good and not too expensive. The only thing you need to add is the batteries. I remember asking lynch how much their conversions kits were once and I think they came to about 6k without batteries although they were very helpful on the phone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stegra Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Mitchellmoxo said: http://www.thunderstruck-ev.com/electric-sailboat-kits-and-accessories-inboard-motor-ev/ these electric conversion kits kits look quite good and not too expensive. The only thing you need to add is the batteries. I remember asking lynch how much their conversions kits were once and I think they came to about 6k without batteries although they were very helpful on the phone Looks like I'll be going with Thunderstruck. At first I was interested in the 12.5kw (35hp peak) kit with the Sevcon controller but after taking advice from here and from the supplier decided it might not have enough grunt in difficult conditions or an emergency. Later I was looking at a water-cooled kit from China but in the middle of the dealings they added $1k to the price and downgraded the controller to a square wave version. The plan now is to get Thunderstruck to make up a kit with one of the bigger motors. I was told by another specialist that the Sevcon controller was very difficult to reprogram and to go for the Curtis instead, as Thunderstuck do with the bigger motors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitchellmoxo Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 Great would be interested to see how you get on. Also what size boat will you be putting this in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murflynn Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 8 minutes ago, stegra said: Looks like I'll be going with Thunderstruck. At first I was interested in the 12.5kw (35hp peak) kit with the Sevcon controller but after taking advice from here and from the supplier decided it might not have enough grunt in difficult conditions or an emergency. Later I was looking at a water-cooled kit from China but in the middle of the dealings they added $1k to the price and downgraded the controller to a square wave version. The plan now is to get Thunderstruck to make up a kit with one of the bigger motors. I was told by another specialist that the Sevcon controller was very difficult to reprogram and to go for the Curtis instead, as Thunderstuck do with the bigger motors. what batteries and charging regime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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