Red oxide paint recommendations?

[IanR]

We want to paint the insides of our hull red oxide and wondered if anyone has any recommendations on a product and supplier. I know some red oxides we've seen have had varying shades and shines, from dull pink to gloss brick red and everything in between. Any tips on the process involved? Our hull has had the loose paint scraped off but a lot of it is still intact, would the red oxide go straight on with any other primer, and would it need a coat over the to since I know a lot of primers are porous. Indeed, is it even red oxide I'm after, or just a paint that is red oxide colour!!?? We have the cabin roof and bulkhead to do too.

 

Cheers, Ian.

[pearley]

Am very impressed with Jotun Vinyguard from SML coatings. Took their advice to put 2 coats on hull before blacking with Ballistic Black. Where the black has scraped off or diesel has got it, you can see by the silver colour that the primer is still there.

 

https://www.smlmarinepaints.co.uk/primers/single_pack/vinyguard

[oldironsides]

If you want oil based, not primer, Johnstone's red oxide paint is very good. For cellulose paint in Staffs the best and cheapest is Regal floor paint, good colour, great coverage and very cheap. You collect from their manufactory near Cellarhead and that is an experience in itself! give them a ring first to tell them you are coming and ask for directions.

 

After cleaning all loose rust off, we put a coat of Vactan on and then use Johnstone's.

[BWM]

I used Teamac bilge paint, its a slightly darker shade and has more gloss than red oxide.

Would advise against using primer as it remains porous and will allow rust to form.

They also do a deck paint that is the same colour as the bilge paint when applied but quickly fades to a perfect, Matt red oxide look.

Edited January 19, 2017 by BWM

[archie57]

If you want oil based, not primer, Johnstone's red oxide paint is very good. For cellulose paint in Staffs the best and cheapest is Regal floor paint, good colour, great coverage and very cheap. You collect from their manufactory near Cellarhead and that is an experience in itself! give them a ring first to tell them you are coming and ask for directions.

 

After cleaning all loose rust off, we put a coat of Vactan on and then use Johnstone's.

I'm afraid you can't get Johnstone's Red Oxide paint any more ( you can still get red Oxide primer) - but they will mix up ordinary oil-based paint to a Red Oxide shade if you give them a sample to match

[alan_fincher]

I have been pleasantly surprised by just the basic red oxide primer from Screwfix

 

Linky

[Chertsey]

Leylands gloss red oxide was brilliant but (and I'd be delighted to hear otherwise) they stopped making it. We bought up the last of the stock of Kelsalls in Cannock but it's all gone now. Don't know what we'll do next time so will watch this thread with interest.

 

Oh, I see Archie just said that! Sorry.

[blackrose]

Bonda primer with zinc.

 

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It's a red oxide colour but it's akkyd resin based and not a red oxide paint.

Edited January 19, 2017 by blackrose

[David Mack]

Red oxide gloss is still available, but many suppliers will tell you its not. For example:

https://www.birdbrand.co.uk/product/red-oxide-gloss-paint/

https://palatinepaints.store.buegle.com/product.php/red_oxide_gloss_1lt/?k=:::4404947

 

Even Dulux do one:

https://www.brewers.co.uk/product/AE0102920N/Red%20Oxide

 

Craftmaster Raddle Red is claimed to be manufactured especially for use on boat decks, cabins, hold etc, but it is rather too brown for my taste.

http://craftmaster.myshopify.com/products/raddle-satin-enamel?variant=178687002

 

Or you could get one of the trade paint suppliers to mix up something to your requirements.

[DHutch]

Are you after 'something for the inside of a open hold, which looks like old red-oxide' or 'something which is a good durable paint, which wont be seen, for the inside of a normal modern boat' here?

 

Red oxide as it was, with oxides of lead, is basically no longer available due to its toxicity.

 

However there are a range of very good primers and top coats, of all types, including some in a reddy browny pinky colour as well and my in other shades.

 

I would certainly recommend painting the inside of a cabin boat, especially the bilge, as well as you can before the fitting out. You only get once chance. Most well maintained boats rust from the inside!

 

 

 

Daniel

[IanR]

Cheers for the replies folks, much appreciated! Its for painting the hold of our undercloth conversion. The riveted hull is mostly staying uninsulated for now, with the kitchen and bathroom areas hopefully staying that way. The undercloth steel will be insulated and clad internally.

 

Ian.

[BWM]

Are you after 'something for the inside of a open hold, which looks like old red-oxide' or 'something which is a good durable paint, which wont be seen, for the inside of a normal modern boat' here?

 

Red oxide as it was, with oxides of lead, is basically no longer available due to its toxicity.

 

However there are a range of very good primers and top coats, of all types, including some in a reddy browny pinky colour as well and my in other shades.

 

I would certainly recommend painting the inside of a cabin boat, especially the bilge, as well as you can before the fitting out. You only get once chance. Most well maintained boats rust from the inside!

 

 

 

Daniel

I believe that the old style red (lead) oxide paint is available, although not on general sale. I can't remember the suppliers name but I delivered lots of lead based paints to national trust properties, etc, it was used for period restoration. Similar story to proper creosote I guess.

[Chertsey]

I believe that the old style red (lead) oxide paint is available, although not on general sale. I can't remember the suppliers name but I delivered lots of lead based paints to national trust properties, etc, it was used for period restoration. Similar story to proper creosote I guess.

Chertsey was sat for years (decades?) with a hold full of mud and water, and the real red oxide had done a brilliant job of protecting the steel.

 

It wouldn't be our old friends the Liver Grease and Oil Company would it?

[WotEver]

The genuine stuff is available here: http://technicalpaintservices.co.uk/catalogue/Red-Lead-Primer-Type-B-AP80/but you have to own an approved historical building to purchase it.

 

There's a Japanese supplier here: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Red-lead-primer_50031943454.html

 

Finally, these products don't contain lead but they do appear to be rather good from their description: http://www.redoxideprimer.co.uk/

 

One of their other websites offers a range of colours too... http://www.agriculturaloxide.co.uk/

[David Schweizer]

For a paint that will cover existing rust effectively and prevent further rusting I would recommend anything from the Rustoleum range, not cheap, but my exp[erience suggests that it works. Apparently it is based on fish oil rather than mineral oil.

[BWM]

Chertsey was sat for years (decades?) with a hold full of mud and water, and the real red oxide had done a brilliant job of protecting the steel.

 

It wouldn't be our old friends the Liver Grease and Oil Company would it?

Its good stuff, quite a vivid orange colour when new though.

 

The genuine stuff is available here: http://technicalpaintservices.co.uk/catalogue/Red-Lead-Primer-Type-B-AP80/but you have to own an approved historical building to purchase it.

 

There's a Japanese supplier here: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Red-lead-primer_50031943454.html

 

Finally, these products don't contain lead but they do appear to be rather good from their description: http://www.redoxideprimer.co.uk/

 

One of their other websites offers a range of colours too... http://www.agriculturaloxide.co.uk/

I wonder if an historic craft would qualify?

[Chertsey]

Chertsey was sat for years (decades?) with a hold full of mud and water, and the real red oxide had done a brilliant job of protecting the steel.

 

 

I found a photo!

[WotEver]

 

I wonder if an historic craft would qualify?

Why not drop them an email and ask?

[I Spartacus]

I have used this company they have a vast range of marine paint's, It might be worth giving them a call

 

http://technicalpaintservices.co.uk/catalogue/Marine-and-Aquatic-Paints/

[FadeToScarlet]

Its good stuff, quite a vivid orange colour when new though.

 

I wonder if an historic craft would qualify?

If you look at the Declaration Form, it states it may be used on historic vehicles. So I'd say hopefully yes!

[DHutch]

I believe that the old style red (lead) oxide paint is available, although not on general sale. ....Similar story to proper creosote I guess.

It wouldn't be our old friends the Liver Grease and Oil Company would it?

I understand they do stock it, and creosote.

Its good stuff, quite a vivid orange colour when new though.

 

I wonder if an historic craft would qualify?

It's very bright. I am a aware of it being used on the knees of a wooden nb, so I am sure it can be done.

 

If you want oil based, not primer, Johnstone's red oxide paint is very good.

Vactan is lovely to use.

 

I also can vouch for Blackfriers QD90 primer and gloss paints. Go on lovely and appear to last well.

 

 

Daniel

[oldironsides]

Be careful if you use actual lead oxide paint as it will give you problems if you need to have any steel work done. It is horrendous to deal with cutting, grinding or otherwise disturbing it. The elf 'n safety implications are strict. Don't forget children used to get lead poisoning from lead based paint, some died. That is why it was banned.

[Jrtm]

I use wickes red oxide its a bit brown when you put it on but it dries the correct colour and boy does it last well. Have put it on 4 things so far

 

1. Was a wooden box made from pallets not cleaning just 2 coats and its still good.

 

2. My fuel tanks they were covered in oil and fuel i some places quick wipe down and painted strait on no peeling after 6 months.

 

3. My wood roof i just scraped the loose bits of and slapped it down still looks like its just been painted nearly a year on.

 

4. My battery box 3 coats onto clean strait wood again still looks like it was done yesterday and was done 3 months ago and has been outside all winter.

[Chertsey]

I use wickes red oxide its a bit brown when you put it on but it dries the correct colour and boy does it last well. Have put it on 4 things so far

 

1. Was a wooden box made from pallets not cleaning just 2 coats and its still good.

 

2. My fuel tanks they were covered in oil and fuel i some places quick wipe down and painted strait on no peeling after 6 months.

 

3. My wood roof i just scraped the loose bits of and slapped it down still looks like its just been painted nearly a year on.

 

4. My battery box 3 coats onto clean strait wood again still looks like it was done yesterday and was done 3 months ago and has been outside all winter.

That does sound like a good recommendation.

[Jrtm]

This roof was painted in may 16 had 1 thick coat of wickes red oxide the odd patch if you can see them are bumps underneath of the floor paint the group used i just scrapped off the loose stuff so there are odd patches it has no flaws in the stuff i put down roof was last washed in sept this is taken december on a weekend