luggsy Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 If you are looking for a good generator at a affordable price look on here http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/152309958333?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT, I paid £500 for mine ?and it has been faultless starts 1st pull , I have a Victron 12v 3kw 120 and it runs that , nothing to do with the seller, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcol Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 It does look a good price Good manufacturer as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_P Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Something rather odd about this. It reads like a trade advert but the seller has zero feedback. A lot of similar zero feedback accounts have also popped up with the same advert. Eg. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2kw-Petrol-Inverter-Generator-for-Camping-Caravan-Motor-home-Very-Quiet-Running/252623520708?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D888007%26algo%3DDISC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D38661%26meid%3Db69ff5e619794b40ad39d956e95a6ec9%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D152309958333 Be very cautious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murflynn Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 it also states that the item is in the UK but is delivered from outside the UK. something not quite right, but it looks like incredible value when compared with an equivalent Honda genny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Several ads, all with identical wording, all zero feedback, all 'uk sellers', all despatched from 'outside the UK'. Odd !!! I fail to see how they can be scammers tho' - as with the Ebay / Paypal policy of 'buyer is always right', if it doesn't arrive, or is not as stated then you get a full refund. Where is the risk ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymondh Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Looks direct rip off of the dealer selling at £500 on ebay and the rip pff ads are being Removed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mross Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 They actually scam eBay not the buyers. I got caught by a scammer but eBay refunded all monies. I have reported two listing for this generator to eBay. Both sellers names have _0 at the end. Coincidence, I think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_P Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Several ads, all with identical wording, all zero feedback, all 'uk sellers', all despatched from 'outside the UK'. Odd !!! I fail to see how they can be scammers tho' - as with the Ebay / Paypal policy of 'buyer is always right', if it doesn't arrive, or is not as stated then you get a full refund. Where is the risk ? Not sure, but it sure doesn't feel right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Payne Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 This one looks like the legit one. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2kw-Petrol-Inverter-Generator-for-Camping-Caravan-Motor-home-Very-Quiet-Running/262257907993?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38661%26meid%3D9c33959b32374524bb192d85131b4867%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D152309958333 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mross Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 When I filled in the web form to report the two listings I got a rather cryptic message from eBay, "The listing has items being sold without the owner's authorization." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirweste Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Even at £500 that's a bargain. My honda eu20i (which I've still not fixed) is something like £1200 new isn't it? I paid like £500 for my honda one second hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrtm Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Might have to get one to charge my phone all day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanddancer Posted November 11, 2016 Report Share Posted November 11, 2016 How about the one on offer in Lidl this week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted November 11, 2016 Report Share Posted November 11, 2016 Even at £500 that's a bargain. My honda eu20i (which I've still not fixed) is something like £1200 new isn't it? I paid like £500 for my honda one second hand I'd suggest the differences are primarily: 1) Noise level (I BET it isn't as quiet as an EU20i), and 2) After sales service. Imagine it packing up and needing say a new PCB after a year. Where is the dealer network to help you get it fixed? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
churchward Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 (edited) I'd suggest the differences are primarily: 1) Noise level (I BET it isn't as quiet as an EU20i), and 2) After sales service. Imagine it packing up and needing say a new PCB after a year. Where is the dealer network to help you get it fixed? Probably right on both counts. SENCI (the manufacturer of the generator using Yamaha engines) is a Chinese company and I can find no dealer network in the UK but there is a English Language website for the company in China http://www.sencigroup.com/and a UK like website URL but has no UK telephone or address. http://www.senci.co.uk/ On the UK like URL they say it is the first year that they have been selling in the UK with a UK spec generator. The company seems to have been established in 1990. The Db level of the Honda is about 55db but this Senci unit is 86db which is quite a bit louder. it also states that the item is in the UK but is delivered from outside the UK. something not quite right, but it looks like incredible value when compared with an equivalent Honda genny. It is not unusual for a Chinese or Hong Kong company to ship in bulk to a warehouse in UK and distribute from there rather than direct from the source. That is often how you can have an overseas eBay ID selling a product to be posted fro the UK. There are wholesale/warehousing companies set-up in the UK to do just that. Edited November 12, 2016 by churchward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_P Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 How about the one on offer in Lidl this week Can't see anything on their website. Do you have a link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotEver Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 The Db level of the Honda is about 55db but this Senci unit is 86db which is quite a bit louder. 86dBa would be deafening! But where are you seeing that figure? All of the specs I can find for the Senci state 58dBa @ 7m. http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/loudness.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
churchward Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 (edited) 86dBa would be deafening! But where are you seeing that figure? All of the specs I can find for the Senci state 58dBa @ 7m. http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/loudness.html It is what it says on the side of the unit in the eBay pictures. It does seem rather loud! At 58db it would be much quieter (and seems more likely) but still louder than the Honda unit. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2kw-Petrol-Inverter-Generator-for-Camping-Caravan-Motor-home-Very-Quiet-Running/262257907993?_trksid=p2050601.c100574.m4253&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D37140%26meid%3Ddb53c730932c402780a36cf7a4bb3ef0%26pid%3D100574%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D232135385171 Edited November 13, 2016 by churchward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_P Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 Actually it says 89db but surely that's at the source, which means at 7m it would be around 58db. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
churchward Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 Actually it says 89db but surely that's at the source, which means at 7m it would be around 58db. I don't know how much the sound would disperse by how many metres away you are. I know the standard seems to be a 7m measurement. If it is 58db which as I said seems more likely it is louder than the Honda. How much louder 58db is over 55db or how perceivable it is am not sure, the decibel scale is not linear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymondh Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 http://www.worldpowerfaqs.com/en/categories/sound/37-how-do-i-convert-the-sound-power-lwa-into-the-average-sound-pressure-level-db-a-at-a-certain-distance Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymondh Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 This is the actual yamaha genset over a grand and both the item in this discussion and the yam made in china http://www.justgenerators.co.uk/yamaha-ef2000is-portable-generator.html#.WCiui-inyf0 Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotEver Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 I don't know how much the sound would disperse by how many metres away you are. I know the standard seems to be a 7m measurement. If it is 58db which as I said seems more likely it is louder than the Honda. How much louder 58db is over 55db or how perceivable it is am not sure, the decibel scale is not linear. 3dB is a doubling of the power - twice as much, which you would think would be terrible. But it isn't. Because not only is the dB scale non-linear, our perception of loudness is even more non-linear, and 3dBA is an Imperceivable difference in loudness. So, the Senci wouldn't appear to be any louder than the Honda. However (why is there always one of those?) if the frequency of the Senci is different (which it is likely to be) then it will be either less or more irritating than the Honda. There's no way of knowing without having them both running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
churchward Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 http://www.worldpowerfaqs.com/en/categories/sound/37-how-do-i-convert-the-sound-power-lwa-into-the-average-sound-pressure-level-db-a-at-a-certain-distance Ray Thanks that is a useful link. Interesting to see on another page it says that a rise of 3db is the equivalent of doubling the level of sound perceived in our ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotEver Posted November 13, 2016 Report Share Posted November 13, 2016 Thanks that is a useful link. Interesting to see on another page it says that a rise of 3db is the equivalent of doubling the level of sound perceived in our ears. They're wrong if they say that. See my post above. Take a look here where the author talks about 'perceived loudness' http://www.acousticsbydesign.com/acoustics-blog/perception-vs-reality.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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