mark99 Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 (edited) Looking for an identical fender to my existing one as below. NB what type are the tyres. Edited June 30, 2014 by mark99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 Buy a normal one, and cut and add own tyre section? I've never seen them sold with the tyre bit pre-fitted, although that doesn't mean nobody will, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 Interesting, I plan to do same. Is it just a cut section of tyre folded inside out? Cut tyre with angle grinder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 Graham Booth did a bit about it in WW the other month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave moore Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 Mark I could ask Joe Hollingshead to make one for you, he's an old boatman and does good stuff. I could bring it down when we meet up on the Thames. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark99 Posted June 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 Mark I could ask Joe Hollingshead to make one for you, he's an old boatman and does good stuff. I could bring it down when we meet up on the Thames. Dave Dave, Sounds like a plan. I'd rather not pay the big chandlers but proper craftsman. Just drop me a pm with cost and I'll sort it out. atb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame r Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 Interesting, I plan to do same. Is it just a cut section of tyre folded inside out? Cut tyre with angle grinder? I'd be very hesitant about cutting a tyre with an angle grinder, a hack saw would be slower but both arms and your head should still be attached afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 Stanley knife Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEO Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 M, You can get a good front button (fender?) and cut a section of tyre to fit - problem here is that they are steel wire reinforced.... when fitting it' has to be tight, so fit a ratchet strap round the tyre and button and crank it up tight and then fit rope ties to hold the 2 ends together. Before fitting, trim the tyre to fit the stem. Allow room otherwise the wire rope will scratch the blacking' Best to drill a drain hole in the tyre to avoid the button sitting in rain water. For a real 'belts and braces' job soak the button in a preservative for a few days and allow to drain for a week. Have fun, wear good gloves as the reinforcing wires are sharp. I turned one tyre inside out, but it wore down and frayed at the edges. I now fit them with the tread out - be careful if doing it this way as the boat may fail it's BSC due to insufficient tread depth. Hope this helps. M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FadeToScarlet Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 Stanley knife Richard ...having cut through the wires with bolt droppers. Worked well for me. I couldn't get the tyre looking right, though, so put on a wrap of plain 4mm rubber sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 Where did you find a steel belted tyre? Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave moore Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 Mark Joe will fit a tyre for you, I'll call him tomorrow and see what he's got. You may need shackles and chain to extend the fitted ones to reach the anchor point. I've fitted several tyres to button fenders, an angle grinder gets through the steel cords and a jigsaw follows to cut off the corded bead that fits to the wheel. With that off, they are fairly compliant. It's a good idea, as suggested, to put a hole in the bottom of the tyre covering and also to thread the securing ropes through the fender covering rope, thus holding it firmly in position. Cheers Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEO Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 Where did you find a steel belted tyre? Richard Hi Dumped on the verge of quiet lane between Chesham and Cowroast.......... L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 Mark Joe will fit a tyre for you, I'll call him tomorrow and see what he's got. You may need shackles and chain to extend the fitted ones to reach the anchor point. I've fitted several tyres to button fenders, an angle grinder gets through the steel cords and a jigsaw follows to cut off the corded bead that fits to the wheel. With that off, they are fairly compliant. It's a good idea, as suggested, to put a hole in the bottom of the tyre covering and also to thread the securing ropes through the fender covering rope, thus holding it firmly in position. Cheers Dave Cheers, I thought a power tool of some sort would be needed to get though the steel wires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stilllearning Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 The tyre used on our boat came from the used tyre mountain in a local tyre fitting company yard. They gave it to me, it's off a go cart or small sit upon mower. It fitted just nicely over the fender, but would indeed fail the BSS on tread depth. As above, jigsaw and a knife, plus drill to make a neat hole at the bottom to let the water out. It makes nosing the top gates in gear a much smoother operation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 I'd be very hesitant about cutting a tyre with an angle grinder, a hack saw would be slower but both arms and your head should still be attached afterwards. Doubt if a hacksaw would touch the steel wire in a tyre? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 What steel wire! AFAIK there's only a bead around the rim which you don't need - cut around that both sides. Then cut across the tread Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 Mark Joe will fit a tyre for you, I'll call him tomorrow and see what he's got. You may need shackles and chain to extend the fitted ones to reach the anchor point. I've fitted several tyres to button fenders, an angle grinder gets through the steel cords and a jigsaw follows to cut off the corded bead that fits to the wheel. With that off, they are fairly compliant. It's a good idea, as suggested, to put a hole in the bottom of the tyre covering and also to thread the securing ropes through the fender covering rope, thus holding it firmly in position. Cheers Dave Dave, Would you share with me how much he is charging for the fender+tyre? I need a new front fender as my current one is on its last legs, I think due to me sticking the boat to the gates when single handing. Hopefully the tyre will help prolong the life of the next one. I went into Tradline at Braunston yesterday and got a quote for a new front button, but they wont do the tyre. If it is not too much mkre than the quote from Tradline, I'd be interested in one the same as Joe is doing for Mark if he would do two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebulae Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 Been running with an identical button fender for the last 8 years .Fender still looks good under the protective tyre. ,Some of the wire reinforcement has worn through .Without the tyre,I am sure I would have needed a new fender by now. Sorry,I cant tell you who made it as it was on the boat when I bought her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X Alan W Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 I don`t think they are made any more, but if on the tyre mountain you can find a Crossply or textile belted tyre, instead of the current steel braced radial, it will be easier to work & lay a lot nicer on the fender. I would imagine they are very thin on the ground or may be unobtainium IMO if you can find one it makes a neater job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 (edited) What steel wire! AFAIK there's only a bead around the rim which you don't need - cut around that both sides. Then cut across the tread Richard Last time I tried to cut a tyre, it had steel belting around the tread, making cutting across the tread very difficult (we were making soles for our clogs.) This was some years ago. Are they easier to cut these days? Edited July 1, 2014 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frangar Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 I used an angle grinder with a thin cutting disc….be warned that the tyre will eat discs and try to grab the machine….it also puts a lot of loading on the motor so let it cool from time to time by running the grinder off load. I was lucky as i was given a tyre tread with the sidewalls already removed….some of the guys where our unit is do banger racing and they use the sidewalls to double the thickness on the tyre walls on the bangers….it did save a load of work on my part! Its also messy and smokey to cut the rubber….probably best done outside! I used some old inner tube glued on with evostick to cover up the edges where the steel belting might damage the paint. Cheers Gareth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty40s Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 Dave, I need a new front fender as my current one is on its last legs, I think due to me sticking the boat to the gates when single handing. Ask Nicknorman if you can have some back from the side of his boat...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 Dave, Sounds like a plan. I'd rather not pay the big chandlers but proper craftsman. Just drop me a pm with cost and I'll sort it out. atb. Any chance of a photo of your new fender, I've just ordered one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilR Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 IME it is difficult to find textile braced tyres these days. But it is easy to remove the beads of steel braced tyres with a jigsaw. But don't use a saw blade in the jigsaw. A plain knife blade will cut through the rubber very quickly and cleanly, as there is usually no steel reinforcement immediately between the beading and the side wall. Cutting across the tyre tread shouldn't take too long with a hacksaw. Then turn the tyre inside out and it should coil up nicely. To save cash you can insert old plastic fenders inside the tyre rather than a rope fender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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