Chris Pink Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 Does anyone know of any oven only units suitable for a boat (ie no requirement for 240V)? I have a Fulmar hob which is the most wonderful piece of equipment nice and fierce. ...but it don't cook a pie. and, incidentally to this. I heard that there were recent safety changes to the output of hob burners to make them weaker. Is this a myth? or reality? and if so would it be simply a matter of changing jets to be able to make good jam (or chips) again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 (edited) Does anyone know of any oven only units suitable for a boat (ie no requirement for 240V)? I have a Fulmar hob which is the most wonderful piece of equipment nice and fierce. ...but it don't cook a pie. and, incidentally to this. I heard that there were recent safety changes to the output of hob burners to make them weaker. Is this a myth? or reality? and if so would it be simply a matter of changing jets to be able to make good jam (or chips) again? or cook a decent steak - we struggle on the boat to get the pan hot enough so I'd be interested in this too. The heat output from our boat hob does seem less then the mains hob at home but I'd assumed this was due to differences in pressure. ed to add - our oven is very similar to the ones you see in caravans - can't recall the make at the mo. Jan successfully bakes in it no problem. further ed to ad . It's a Spinflo like this (though a slightly different version) - Edited November 7, 2011 by MJG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Pink Posted November 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 or cook a decent steak - we struggle on the boat to get the pan hot enough so I'd be interested in this too. The heat output from our boat hob does seem less then the mains hob at home but I'd assumed this was due to differences in pressure. I don't think so as the Fulmar was running propane through a standard regulator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine of Hearts Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 Given that of the two of us I'd think you had the far greater knowledge on all things boat related, I'm surprised at your asking this as I've seen quite a few of these thingies about. So I think I'm probably misunderstanding your query, but in case I'm not, I've got one of these: Spinflo Midi Prima I've mounted it in a tall unit, but it can go under a hob, too. Is this what you meant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 Does anyone know of any oven only units suitable for a boat (ie no requirement for 240V)? Chris, I assume you are meaning other than the bog standard "boat" built in oven, or oven grills, such as Vanette, Spinflo, etc ? Certainly some of these are simple piezo ignition, no fans, and I feel sure still no 240 volt requirement. IIRC Vanettes are no longer made under that name, but chandlers still basically sell a similar item, just not (I think) branded as such. Cath does a lot of baking in our 16 year old built in Vanette, but I have to say it's hardly the largest oven around. But I guess you are talking something fancier ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Pink Posted November 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 Given that of the two of us I'd think you had the far greater knowledge on all things boat related, I'm surprised at your asking this as I've seen quite a few of these thingies about. So I think I'm probably misunderstanding your query, but in case I'm not, I've got one of these: Spinflo Midi Prima I've mounted it in a tall unit, but it can go under a hob, too. Is this what you meant? yes, that's the kind of thing. Any good? But I guess you are talking something fancier ? no, not really, just having a "i know nothing" day. I don't know why i thought they might be obscure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 yes, that's the kind of thing. Any good? See above we have the same and Jan bakes in it just fine - it doesn't have a fan obviously (actually do any domestic gas ovens) so the heat doesn't get as well distributed as if it had one but as I say it bakes just fine if that is what you are after. It has a separate grill too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 Trojan has an oven which looks rather similar to the one pictured above; it has a separate grill, and its ignition is achieved by pushing a button (is that a "piezzo"?) It's called a Country somethingorother; not on the boat at the moment so I can't check the rest of its name! Both the oven and the grill seem efficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine of Hearts Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 yes, that's the kind of thing. Any good? ah... well... you see... due to the protracted nature of my fit out I can't comment on it's efficiency as it's not connected to a gas supply. It does look nice, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 no, not really, just having a "i know nothing" day. I don't know why i thought they might be obscure. Having had a squint at say Midland Chandlers, it seems Stoves models need 240 volts for ignition. Spinflo, it seems not. This one says "oven/grill", but apparently not separate. It seems to be effectively a Vanette, and is on an offer at MC at the moment, it appears. MC GG2200 Oven / Grill (Stainless) Can't speak for this one, but our older Vanette is fine, if you don't need anything larger internally. (Well, except when I have been known to open the door when the boat is cornering heavily - I have had "food on floor" incidents!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CV32 Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 We have a spinflo on our boat and i can report its a good oven - my only recommendation would be to buy an oven thermometer as it takes some time to come up to temperature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wanted Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 yep, we recently changed a really old vanette for the spinflo pictured above. its really good. cakes, bread, roasts the lot. ours should be hooked up to 12 volt for ignition and internal light but we havent got that far yet, just using a lighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 Spinflo, it seems not. Correct - our oven ignition works on the 12V system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine of Hearts Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 yep, we recently changed a really old vanette for the spinflo pictured above. its really good. cakes, bread, roasts the lot. ours should be hooked up to 12 volt for ignition and internal light but we havent got that far yet, just using a lighter. As you have reassured me wonderfully about the cooking potential of my oven, can I assure you that when you do hook it up to the 12v, the oven lights up nicely and the ignition makes a pleasing spark. I've got my priorities wrong, haven't I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koukouvagia Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 (edited) yes, that's the kind of thing. Any good? We've got a Spinflo Midi – mainly because it was the only model we could find that was narrow enough to go through the cabin door. Initially I had trouble with the oven – the flame kept lifting off the burner. It seemed as though the gas pressure was too high (which it wasn't). It turned out, after much research, that I'd not followed the installation instructions carefully enough. Let me explain. The oven sits in an IKEA unit. The gas pipe is fed into the bottom of the stove via a hole in the shelf on which it sits. I'd made this hole large – about 8" in diameter instead of the 1" hole specified in the instructions. As a consquence the oven was over-ventilated. (I didn't know this was possible). Once I'd reduced the hole to the proper size, I had no further problems. Edited November 7, 2011 by koukouvagia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 As you have reassured me wonderfully about the cooking potential of my oven, can I assure you that when you do hook it up to the 12v, the oven lights up nicely and the ignition makes a pleasing spark. I've got my priorities wrong, haven't I? You could keep the spark button held in perhaps?? and cook with the heat from that - might take some time to come to the correct temp though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Pink Posted November 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 It turned out, after much research, that I'd not followed the installation instructions carefully enough. Let me explain. The oven sits in an IKEA unit. The gas pipe is fed into the bottom of the stove via a hole in the shelf on which it sits. I'd made this hole large – about 8" in diameter instead of the 1" hole specified in the instructions. As a consquence the oven was over-ventilated. (I didn't know this was possible). Once I'd reduced the hole to the proper size, I had no further problems. Worth knowing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoominPapa Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 We've got a Spinflo Midi – mainly because it was the only model we could find that was narrow enough to go through the cabin door. Initially I had trouble with the oven – the flame kept lifting off the burner. It seemed as though the gas pressure was too high (which it wasn't). It turned out, after much research, that I'd not followed the installation instructions carefully enough. Let me explain. The oven sits in an IKEA unit. The gas pipe is fed into the bottom of the stove via a hole in the shelf on which it sits. I'd made this hole large – about 8" in diameter instead of the 1" hole specified in the instructions. As a consquence the oven was over-ventilated. (I didn't know this was possible). Once I'd reduced the hole to the proper size, I had no further problems. Oooh, that's very interesting, as we have the same oven and the same problem, but only when the oven is first lit. In our case the fix may be difficult, as the back of the oven isn't really enclosed at all. Did you find the fix by trial-and-error, or did the manufacturers actually state that the enclosure is required to control the air flow? MP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wanted Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 As you have reassured me wonderfully about the cooking potential of my oven, can I assure you that when you do hook it up to the 12v, the oven lights up nicely and the ignition makes a pleasing spark. I've got my priorities wrong, haven't I? positive spin, between us we have done a great job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koukouvagia Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 Oooh, that's very interesting, as we have the same oven and the same problem, but only when the oven is first lit. In our case the fix may be difficult, as the back of the oven isn't really enclosed at all. Did you find the fix by trial-and-error, or did the manufacturers actually state that the enclosure is required to control the air flow? MP. The manual shows an installation diagram with the oven enclosed in a unit like the one I have. I've just looked again at this and it says that the ventilation hole must be min 50mm and max 70mm. (My recollection of 1" was wrong in the earlier post - sorry). I didn't consult Spinflo, so I don't know whether the oven is supposed to be enclosed. All I know is that when I followed the instructions about the size of the hole it worked. There is also another problem, apart from the lifting flame, which I've got used to and had forgotten about. Unless you turn the gas up full when first lighting the oven, the flame goes out. I suspect this has something to do with the fact that, according to the manufacturers, the oven doesn't reach its full operating temperature for 15 minutes. After 15 minutes the regulator can be turned down to whatever setting you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dor Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 I cook on an electric fan oven at home, and in comparison, my Spinflo Caprice III on the boat is a nightmare. The top gets hot enough, but you can pretty much hold your hand on the bottom. Have to keep shuffling things around to get more than one thing cooking. I did see an ad or review in one of the mags a few months ago for a 12V cooker with fan and light. I'm sure that would be much better. Not very impressed with build quality of the Spinflo either, considering how much they cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 Does anyone know of any oven only units suitable for a boat (ie no requirement for 240V)? I have a Fulmar hob which is the most wonderful piece of equipment nice and fierce. ...but it don't cook a pie. and, incidentally to this. I heard that there were recent safety changes to the output of hob burners to make them weaker. Is this a myth? or reality? and if so would it be simply a matter of changing jets to be able to make good jam (or chips) again? There are loads of household stuff available with lpg jets thrown in that take only five minutes to change an idiot can do I know because I have done ours. We have a Neff hob and a seperate centurion oven. They both have mains voltage plugs on them but we dont even connect them as it takes a whole 2.7 seconds to get the gas lighter jobby out of the drawere and light them, hardly a hardship. I specifically did my homework and found an oven without need to use the fan. I must say they are greatly better then the spinflo jobbies on the last boat and many narrow beam boats have enough room for them to be fitted, my mate has full size units and full size fridge and washing machine on his 57 foot narrowboat without any problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 Not very impressed with build quality of the Spinflo either, considering how much they cost. Certainly the Spinflo hob we used when we refitted our boat kitchen is a flimsier affair than the old Vanette it replaced, (we were being good - the Vanette pre-dated the flame failure requirement, and although not obliged to upgrade to that feature, we thought it wise to). In practice at least two of the FFDs on the new hob are a nightmare, and can be the very devil to keep alight, however long you hold the button in. So Spinflo hob quality I would say can be fairly poor - but I don't have experience of Spinflo ovens, I admit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Pink Posted November 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 (edited) In practice at least two of the FFDs on the new hob are a nightmare, and can be the very devil to keep alight, however long you hold the button in. one of my jobs this week is to fit an FFDO edit: I've changed the name to something a little more elegant. Edited November 7, 2011 by Chris Pink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoominPapa Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 The manual shows an installation diagram with the oven enclosed in a unit like the one I have. I've just looked again at this and it says that the ventilation hole must be min 50mm and max 70mm. (My recollection of 1" was wrong in the earlier post - sorry). I didn't consult Spinflo, so I don't know whether the oven is supposed to be enclosed. All I know is that when I followed the instructions about the size of the hole it worked. Thanks, I'll have a think about the possibility of enclosing the base of our more closely to see if it has the same effect. There is also another problem, apart from the lifting flame, which I've got used to and had forgotten about. Unless you turn the gas up full when first lighting the oven, the flame goes out. I suspect this has something to do with the fact that, according to the manufacturers, the oven doesn't reach its full operating temperature for 15 minutes. After 15 minutes the regulator can be turned down to whatever setting you need. Hmm, that sounds like the opposite of the problem we have, which is that on a cold oven the flame will lift and even blow out unless the regulator is turned down. Once it's warmed up there no problem, either because the air flow changes once the oven is warm or the thermostat doesn't open to maximum gas flow, or a combination of the two. MP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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