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Just in the planning stage of having a 57' new build built as a liveaboard. Can anyone advise on oil fired range type cooker/boilers. Am considering a Heritage Uno leaving my boat gas free. Any previous experience would be appreciated.

What is wrong with Gas? It is one of the most practical fuels for a boat.

Sue

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It needs a special gas locker, specialist installation and some people just don't like gas. Going single fuel on a boat makes a lot of sense to me, especially if you like range cookers anyway.

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Just in the planning stage of having a 57' new build built as a liveaboard. Can anyone advise on oil fired range type cooker/boilers. Am considering a Heritage Uno leaving my boat gas free. Any previous experience would be appreciated.

I have owned boats since 1981. Apart from the first and my current one, all have had gas. The first had a parrafin stove and oil lamps, my present one a diesel fired range. I was sceptical about the range, but it has proved to be brilliant, in all seasons. Mine is a Sandyford, which has two burners. One for cooking, one for heating and water. Having two burners is important I think. I would be reluctant to go for the Uno, but Heritage make a 2 hob version which you may find a better solution. If you like range cooking, then you will find a version like my Sandyford brilliant. Great to cook on in summer without having to take all your clothes off, fantastic all round in winter.

 

I hope this helps.

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What is wrong with Gas? It is one of the most practical fuels for a boat.

Sue

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Very tue Sue, its also far cheaper to install gas/cooker than diesel jobbies, its ultra safe and instantly regulates at the touch of a dial...........

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Very tue Sue, its also far cheaper to install gas/cooker than diesel jobbies, its ultra safe and instantly regulates at the touch of a dial...........

I wouldn't disagree with that for one moment. Gas is very convenient and simple. But if you want a gas free boat, and some people do, then it is useful to gather practical information about the alternatives. My current boat came without gas and with a full size domestic Aga-type range, converted to run on diesel instead of heating oil. I have lived with it since May and I am mightily impressed with it, both as a means of cooking and a means of heating. It also looks great and now I can invite people like Joanna Trollope and Camilla Parker-Bowles round without feeling embarrassed. :rolleyes:

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I wouldn't disagree with that for one moment. Gas is very convenient and simple. But if you want a gas free boat, and some people do, then it is useful to gather practical information about the alternatives. My current boat came without gas and with a full size domestic Aga-type range, converted to run on diesel instead of heating oil. I have lived with it since May and I am mightily impressed with it, both as a means of cooking and a means of heating. It also looks great and now I can invite people like Joanna Trollope and Camilla Parker-Bowles round without feeling embarrassed. :rolleyes:

 

What about Nigella and her spoon............corrrrrrrr :blink:

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Just in the planning stage of having a 57' new build built as a liveaboard. Can anyone advise on oil fired range type cooker/boilers. Am considering a Heritage Uno leaving my boat gas free. Any previous experience would be appreciated.

 

When planning Midnight, we really wanted a diesel range cooker which would also provide central heating. We considered both the Dickinson and the Sigma, almost at one point handing over the money at a show. During the prolonged fit-out stage we met two boat crews with same equipment both told us they were wonderful except in summer when they radiated too much heat.

 

The crew we met at Marple proudly showed us their installed Dickinson, of course this was summer and it was switched off and they were using a gas ring connected to a bottle. We very relunctantly changed our minds and installed gas and never really regretted it. Although I would admit ranges look great.

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Being a live-aboard is very different from being a Sunday sailor. Even on one burner, a range can make the cabin unbearably hot in warm weather.

 

I use gas because it is the best fuel to cook with, on land or water. However, to claim it is perfectly safe on a boat is delusional.

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When planning Midnight, we really wanted a diesel range cooker which would also provide central heating. We considered both the Dickinson and the Sigma, almost at one point handing over the money at a show. During the prolonged fit-out stage we met two boat crews with same equipment both told us they were wonderful except in summer when they radiated too much heat.

 

The crew we met at Marple proudly showed us their installed Dickinson, of course this was summer and it was switched off and they were using a gas ring connected to a bottle. We very relunctantly changed our minds and installed gas and never really regretted it. Although I would admit ranges look great.

 

:D

 

Hi

 

You did yourselves a favour. Ten or so years ago I fitted out a new build and fell for the b----hit about the marvelous Dickenson stove and had one fitted at great cost. Suffice to say they are crap........once bitten twice shy.

Stick with your ultra safe ultra reliable ultra controlable gas, you did the right thing.

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When planning Midnight, we really wanted a diesel range cooker which would also provide central heating. We considered both the Dickinson and the Sigma, almost at one point handing over the money at a show. During the prolonged fit-out stage we met two boat crews with same equipment both told us they were wonderful except in summer when they radiated too much heat.

 

The crew we met at Marple proudly showed us their installed Dickinson, of course this was summer and it was switched off and they were using a gas ring connected to a bottle. We very relunctantly changed our minds and installed gas and never really regretted it. Although I would admit ranges look great.

 

It's important to realise that Sandyford, Unos etc don't have to be left on all the time - the whole point of them is that they are programmable and offer the benefits of Aga-style range cooking and heating with the ability to program and to switch on and off as required. (The cooking side takes minutes to heat up.) They also use domestic ch boiler 'innards' as opposed to specialised marine types so are easy to service and repair.

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It's important to realise that Sandyford, Unos etc don't have to be left on all the time - the whole point of them is that they are programmable and offer the benefits of Aga-style range cooking and heating with the ability to program and to switch on and off as required. (The cooking side takes minutes to heat up.) They also use domestic ch boiler 'innards' as opposed to specialised marine types so are easy to service and repair.

That is exactly the point. Some ranges designed for boats have a single burner. So if you cook on it, you get heating and hot water as well. The Sandyford I have has two burners. One for cooking, one for heating and water. The cooking side heats the hotplates very quickly - it will boil a kettle almost as fast as a gas ring. Nor does the cooker side create so much heat as to be unbearable in warm weather. Certainly, if you put a roast on, the galley area gets warm, but then the same is true with a roast in a gas oven.

 

Some ranges also require a radiator to be left on if using the water heating side, even if you only want hot water. The Sandyford does not. In fact the range itself remains very cool. They're not cheap I agree, but they are very good, and, as Starman says, easily serviceable by people used to dealing with ones installed in houses.

 

Other benefits some might prefer are (i) they look great and they look warm (ii) no bags of coal to hump around, clutter the roof, stain the roof paint, create loads of dust and (iii) it turns on at the twist of a dial, which beats scrumpling up old issues of Towpath Talk, topping that with kindling, and then experiencing the mellifluent waft of burning paraffin (if using firelighters). Oh, and (iv) they make an unsurpassable stew. :)

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Very nearly..

 

we have installed a heritage Uno... as we dont like gas...

 

if you want to discuss PM me... response times will vary..

 

there are some other considerations to bear in mind, but all things considered we think its v good

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A numpti question....

 

If you are using a range to heat water can you still make use of a calorifier off the engine ?

Of course. You simply need a twin coil calorifier which most of them are anyway. One coil carries the engine coolant, the other the central heating. The range is a central heating boiler so you would connect just as you would an Eberspåcher or whatever.

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Very nearly..

 

we have installed a heritage Uno... as we dont like gas...

 

if you want to discuss PM me... response times will vary..

 

there are some other considerations to bear in mind, but all things considered we think its v good

 

Thanks for info. Don't know how to PM you as IT is not my thing (far too old!!). If you would be kind enough to email me at..........thephilljones@ntlworld.com..........I would be most grateful to get your knowledge & feedback. Cheers.

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