GSer Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 God looks after those who look after themselves. Moor up properly and stop wingeing about the occasional passing craft. mmmm yeh right, you're saying that if moored correctly(?) a boat can pass you at any speed and cause no real disturbance? Well i'm afraid thats not the case in my world even moored with two lines, 2 springs and two standoffs all set in place with double pins, on a narrow shallow canal you are still at the mercy of passing craft hence the need for a little thought and consideration when passing boats Or perhaps it's only on the K&A that this is an issue? A narrow canal with widebeam locks and very few pilings. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHutch Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 mmmm yeh right, you're saying that if moored correctly(?) a boat can pass you at any speed and cause no real disturbance? Boats, canals and moorings will all vary. - However, ive had emilyanne moored near cowley, with springs at details above, and had a loaded blunt fronted land&water gravel barge pass at a fast walking or slow jogging speed and would happy describe our movements as 'no real disturbance' certainly i did not feel at any risk going about the actions of cooking dinner and making a pot of tea. Equally, while again im sure all boats behave differently, im confident that i will return to emilyanne to find her as she is and floating level against the mud bank assuming there has been no significant change in the level of the pound. If anything, passing boats help keep her moving should the leval drop a little. Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSer Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 Boats, canals and moorings will all vary. - However, ive had emilyanne moored near cowley, with springs at details above, and had a loaded blunt fronted land&water gravel barge pass at a fast walking or slow jogging speed and would happy describe our movements as 'no real disturbance' certainly i did not feel at any risk going about the actions of cooking dinner and making a pot of tea. Equally, while again im sure all boats behave differently, im confident that i will return to emilyanne to find her as she is and floating level against the mud bank assuming there has been no significant change in the level of the pound. If anything, passing boats help keep her moving should the leval drop a little. Daniel FWIW if i saw your boat moored like that I would take extra, extra care when passing It not the moving about of the boat that worries me (after all we CHOSE to live on a boat) but it's the pulling of pins that is a problem, a 'list' can be sorted with 'standoffs' and jury rigged planks. But once in place and moored, passing fast boats can still pull pins with relative ease whereas a nice gently steered boat is unlikely to cause issues. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froschkörper Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 Alternatively, appreciate that some years have passed since the 1950's, and that the canals are a different place, with a different pace and different standards. Boat with consideration, and stop whinging about how much better it was in your day. Many things have changed since the 1950s, but to the best of my knowledge, the Laws of Physics and in particular the Laws of Hydrodynamics are still the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayalld Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 Many things have changed since the 1950s, but to the best of my knowledge, the Laws of Physics and in particular the Laws of Hydrodynamics are still the same. Indeed so. However, if you were within 100 miles of the present day, you would realise that the hydrodynamics of the canals that you worked on, and the hydrodynamics of most canals in 2009 are very different, because the profiles are different due to a lack of dredging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrizla Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 Far too many big words in this thread for me to coment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froschkörper Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 Indeed so. However, if you were within 100 miles of the present day, you would realise that the hydrodynamics of the canals that you worked on, and the hydrodynamics of most canals in 2009 are very different, because the profiles are different due to a lack of dredging. 100 miles equated to time at latitude n 51.5 (London) is approximately 5hrs 52mins, what is your point ? If you refer to my original comment it is obvious that I was a merchant seaman reflecting on my observations on how commercial narrowboats were safely moored alongside for working cargo. The canals which I worked on are a non-sequitur as they were ones like the Manchester Ship Canal, the Keil Canal, the Amsterdam-Yjmuiden Canal etc. and I assure you that 10 knots was a normal speed in all of these locations and we didn't cause accidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naughty Cal Posted September 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 and I assure you that 10 knots was a normal speed in all of these locations and we didn't cause accidents. But did you spill anyones tea (this was a joke by the way) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froschkörper Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 But did you spill anyones tea I expect so, but at 10 kts one is going at 337 yards in a minute and it would require an incredibly quick reaction, to hail you before you are out of earshot. However, having said that, in the 1950s, the commonest drinking implement on British ships was the half pint P.L.A. mug and I don't recall ever seeing an unchipped one, so on that documentary evidence alone it is most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayalld Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 100 miles equated to time at latitude n 51.5 (London) is approximately 5hrs 52mins, what is your point ?If you refer to my original comment it is obvious that I was a merchant seaman reflecting on my observations on how commercial narrowboats were safely moored alongside for working cargo. The canals which I worked on are a non-sequitur as they were ones like the Manchester Ship Canal, the Keil Canal, the Amsterdam-Yjmuiden Canal etc. and I assure you that 10 knots was a normal speed in all of these locations and we didn't cause accidents. <sigh> Do we REALLY have to go through the WHOLE explanation of why the hydrodynamics on shallow, narrow waterways are different again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naughty Cal Posted September 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 <sigh> Do we REALLY have to go through the WHOLE explanation of why the hydrodynamics on shallow, narrow waterways are different again? Evidently so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayalld Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 Evidently so OK, short version. If the moored boat and the passing boat take up a significant portion of the whole cross sectional area of the channel, the effects on a moored vessel of speed will be greatly increased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naughty Cal Posted September 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 Diagrams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayalld Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 Diagrams? Oh, feel free. You are still young, and have the youthful certainty that anything can be explained. I'm older, and can spot the old sailor who will always know better from a distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naughty Cal Posted September 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 Oh, feel free. You are still young, and have the youthful certainty that anything can be explained. I'm older, and can spot the old sailor who will always know better from a distance. Pictures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHutch Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 FWIW if i saw your boat moored like that I would take extra, extra care when passing - It not the moving about of the boat that worries me (after all we CHOSE to live on a boat) but it's the pulling of pins that is a problem Well in the photo, its on goat chains. Full speed ahead surely??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strumble Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 The K&A newbury to reading is a river so you need bow stern and a spring ! i normally put spring upstream , to be honest its a waste of time as 90% of the time your in shallow water and grounded 3ft or more out from the bank and on angle !!! welcome to the K&A , most of the boats in the past going to fast were hire boats but as of late its 50 50 sadly to calculate cruising times for the K&A add locks bridges and miles together divide by 3 that is cruising time really is a good guide most sections are prone to level change so you cant have ropes to tight , be prepared if you are thinking of venturing our way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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