Cranfleet Cut theft

[redfastlad]

Just had a few days moored opposite the Trent valley sailing club on the mouth of the Cranfleet Cut where we did the roof line painting against the wall, Monday morning a fellow boater asked if i had seen anyone with a couple of jerry cans as he had been the victim of theft during the night, he had lost two jerry cans of 30litre each containg some petrol but thought he had got away light as they were after his generator but didnt manage to lift that from the boat. He was moored well down the cut next to the flood lock and less than a 100yards from a clump of water gypsies who were failing to display a valid licence between the lot of them, so beware if youre mooring at Cranfleet lock up all your possesions or the have nots will be the new ownwers of your hard earned goods. Very shortly the brigade will be on my case accussing me of scare mongering but before you lot start this was a valid theft and was reported to Dave at Sawley locks, as i was in Sawley with a fellow boater we discussed this and how we could lock our fuel caps to prevent the theft of our diesel.

[cotswoldsman]

Just had a few days moored opposite the Trent valley sailing club on the mouth of the Cranfleet Cut where we did the roof line painting against the wall, Monday morning a fellow boater asked if i had seen anyone with a couple of jerry cans as he had been the victim of theft during the night, he had lost two jerry cans of 30litre each containg some petrol but thought he had got away light as they were after his generator but didnt manage to lift that from the boat. He was moored well down the cut next to the flood lock and less than a 100yards from a clump of water gypsies who were failing to display a valid licence between the lot of them, so beware if youre mooring at Cranfleet lock up all your possesions or the have nots will be the new ownwers of your hard earned goods. Very shortly the brigade will be on my case accussing me of scare mongering but before you lot start this was a valid theft and was reported to Dave at Sawley locks, as i was in Sawley with a fellow boater we discussed this and how we could lock our fuel caps to prevent the theft of our diesel.

 

Sorry what are water gypsies, my kids call me a water gypsy as I live on a boat and am constantly on the move. Oh yes and because my licence took a long a long time to catch up with me I was 2 months not showing a licence. Am I to understand from your post that the clump of fellow boaters were seen taking the petrol or you have just asumed because they were not displaying a licence they must be guilty.

[bargeeboy]

Very shortly the brigade will be on my case accussing me of scare mongering but before you lot start this was a valid theft and was reported to Dave at Sawley locks, as i was in Sawley with a fellow boater we discussed this and how we could lock our fuel caps to prevent the theft of our diesel.

 

All new spec Narrowcraft boats will now have locking fuel tanks .

 

I can see this becoming a problem with your main tanks being pumped out by undesirables.

 

Especially of course when the duty changes and the posiblility is that we will be using the same colour diesel and road vehicles.

[Keeping Up]

All new spec Narrowcraft boats will now have locking fuel tanks .

 

I can see this becoming a problem with your main tanks being pumped out by undesirables.

 

Especially of course when the duty changes and the posiblility is that we will be using the same colour diesel and road vehicles.

Have you finished the design of the new locks? If they can be fitted as a replacement for the usual style of existing fuel caps you will have a ready market queuing at your door.

[redfastlad]

Sorry what are water gypsies, my kids call me a water gypsy as I live on a boat and am constantly on the move. Oh yes and because my licence took a long a long time to catch up with me I was 2 months not showing a licence. Am I to understand from your post that the clump of fellow boaters were seen taking the petrol or you have just asumed because they were not displaying a licence they must be guilty.

Listen i may not be the sharpest poster on this forum and i do tend to jump to conclusions, but as you seem to want to defend the merry band of the great unwashed, please come up to Cranfleet and moor with them there is bags of room (cos no one else dare to moor near them). Do you really think that as they are the only people in the area that someone else would walk the length of the towpath to carry away 2 cans of juice? Should they steal from my boat i will certainly go and ask for my goods back first and if they dont respond the police would be contacted who dont really care to be involved with this crew as they tend to drift away quite suddenly after a chat with the plod. Let this be a warning lock up your juice lock up your bikes and dont leave anything valuable on the roof and dont moor too far down Cranfleet cut.

[AjW]

2 JERRY CANS of petrol - 60litres. That's a target for anyone with a car/moped/monkey bike/petrol scooter/van/generator.

No need to walk the length of the towpath either as there are footpaths through the fields behind the cut.

 

But yes, if you leave valuable stuff loose outside on your boat then you can't be that shocked if it disappears overnight...

[stubbs]

Listen i may not be the sharpest poster on this forum and i do tend to jump to conclusions, but as you seem to want to defend the merry band of the great unwashed, please come up to Cranfleet and moor with them there is bags of room (cos no one else dare to moor near them). Do you really think that as they are the only people in the area that someone else would walk the length of the towpath to carry away 2 cans of juice? Should they steal from my boat i will certainly go and ask for my goods back first and if they dont respond the police would be contacted who dont really care to be involved with this crew as they tend to drift away quite suddenly after a chat with the plod. Let this be a warning lock up your juice lock up your bikes and dont leave anything valuable on the roof and dont moor too far down Cranfleet cut.

 

 

thank god your not in the police then

 

 

2 JERRY CANS of petrol - 60litres. That's a target for anyone with a car/moped/monkey bike/petrol scooter/van/generator.

No need to walk the length of the towpath either as there are footpaths through the fields behind the cut.

 

But yes, if you leave valuable stuff loose outside on your boat then you can't be that shocked if it disappears overnight...

 

 

id be pushed to try and get away with 60ltrs of petrol on a scooter/moped or bike as most only have an 18 ltr tank at most one hell of a juggling act

[denboy]

i would be more intrested to know how you get 30ltrs of juice into a 20 ltr can i regularly more at cranfleet and aint had anything nicked(yet) there did used to be a "light fingered lowlife" there at one time but he was moved on a while back fuel is becoming the in thing to nick

[saltysplash]

Listen i may not be the sharpest poster on this forum and i do tend to jump to conclusions, but as you seem to want to defend the merry band of the great unwashed, please come up to Cranfleet and moor with them there is bags of room (cos no one else dare to moor near them). Do you really think that as they are the only people in the area that someone else would walk the length of the towpath to carry away 2 cans of juice? Should they steal from my boat i will certainly go and ask for my goods back first and if they dont respond the police would be contacted who dont really care to be involved with this crew as they tend to drift away quite suddenly after a chat with the plod. Let this be a warning lock up your juice lock up your bikes and dont leave anything valuable on the roof and dont moor too far down Cranfleet cut.

 

 

Try living in the London Borough of Lewisham. since midnight monday morning there were 4 burglaries, 2 of which were on elderly females telling them they were from the water board. 3 stolen cars. 4 buses attacked by youths. numerous fights involving gangs of youths not to mention the numberless domestic assaults and related incidents. all this upto 7pm.

 

Compered to what goes on, on the canal...no contest

[cotswoldsman]

Try living in the London Borough of Lewisham. since midnight monday morning there were 4 burglaries, 2 of which were on elderly females telling them they were from the water board. 3 stolen cars. 4 buses attacked by youths. numerous fights involving gangs of youths not to mention the numberless domestic assaults and related incidents. all this upto 7pm.

 

Compered to what goes on, on the canal...no contest

 

If you think thats bad try living in the head of a daily Mail reader all that and more done before breakfast by Polish workers or if you are in Cranfleet Cut by Water Gypsies or is it unlicenced boaters.

[bargeeboy]

Have you finished the design of the new locks? If they can be fitted as a replacement for the usual style of existing fuel caps you will have a ready market queuing at your door.

Ist attempt is a locking bar from inside the boat which goes across the caps. I am concerned about making it rot proof so we are now looking at a brass/chrome or stainless steel device. If it mild steel I suspect that in a couple of years it will be rusty. It is easy to build a locking cap like a Land Rover but again problems with padlock being outside and small hinge.

Edited May 28, 2008 by bargeeboy

[magpie patrick]

I'd be interested in a way of locking the fuel cap on Ripple, it's a very basic screwtop and I suspect someone taking enough care might even be able to empty the tank while I was onboard. I had a thought of drilling through cap and thread so a small bar could be fitted with a small padlock but am a bit nervous of drilling steel actually in the feed pipe to the tank.

 

As for the argument over the other boaters possible culpability, courts may demand proof "beyond reasonable doubt" but those of us trying to simply keep our worldly goods together we have to make some working assumptions and it seems to me that a GROUP of unlicensed boats are more likely to troublesome than a single one or a group of smart licensed boats. A lot of crime is also committed very close to the villains home as well, sometimes even next door neighbours: doesn't mean this group did it, but I don't think Redfastlad is being irrationale in suggesting they are the most likely candidates.

 

Cotswoldman: one unlicensed boat will probably be awaiting a licence, especially if it has a visible index number and/or a just expired license visible. I left Whilton Marina with no licence as it hadn't arrived. A group of unlicensed boats is less likely: do they really all renew at the same time?

[Sir Nibble]

As for the argument over the other boaters possible culpability, courts may demand proof "beyond reasonable doubt" but those of us trying to simply keep our worldly goods together we have to make some working assumptions and it seems to me that a GROUP of unlicensed boats are more likely to troublesome than a single one or a group of smart licensed boats. A lot of crime is also committed very close to the villains home as well, sometimes even next door neighbours: doesn't mean this group did it, but I don't think Redfastlad is being irrationale in suggesting they are the most likely candidates.

 

Cotswoldman: one unlicensed boat will probably be awaiting a licence, especially if it has a visible index number and/or a just expired license visible. I left Whilton Marina with no licence as it hadn't arrived. A group of unlicensed boats is less likely: do they really all renew at the same time?

It's a common problem isn't it. Stuff goes missing, people say "That will have been the pikies up the road", other folks look and say "Oh that's not right! you cannot go throwing accusations about without evidence!" which is quite right and very 21st century.

Where it all falls down of course is that it almost certainly WAS the pikies down the road which vindicates those who jump to predjudice based conclusions and leaves those of us who would prefer not to make such accusations with egg on our faces and feeling let down by those we thought to defend.

 

By the way, for "pikies" read in any distrusted group of your choice.

 

I would prefer not to tar anyone with any brush and would not dream of officially accusing this group of unlicenced boaters of stealing fuel without evidence. Bet it was them tho'.

 

Get another 1/2 jerrycan full, put a couple of tins of Brasso (other covert abrasives are also available) in it and leave it lying around.

[AjW]

I'd be interested in a way of locking the fuel cap on Ripple, it's a very basic screwtop and I suspect someone taking enough care might even be able to empty the tank while I was onboard. I had a thought of drilling through cap and thread so a small bar could be fitted with a small padlock but am a bit nervous of drilling steel actually in the feed pipe to the tank.

 

 

It might not work on some boats, but where the a flexible fuel hose joins the tank, could you insert a wire mesh of some sort?

[carlt]

By the way, for "pikies" read in any distrusted group of your choice.

The police? Tories? New Labour?

[Sir Nibble]

The police? Tories? New Labour?

Another Lib Dem huh.

[carlt]

Another Lib Dem huh.

In the absence of any other credible socialist alternative, they've had my vote since I was deceived by Bliar, in '97.

[Guest]

In the absence of any other credible socialist alternative, they've had my vote since I was deceived by Bliar, in '97.

We were all deceived by Tory Bliar.

[cotswoldsman]

We were all deceived by Tory Bliar.

 

When you say ALL please don't include me at the last election I knew what he was all about.

[carlt]

We were all deceived by Tory Bliar.

Yes but I took it personally.

 

I stood on the picket lines, during the miners strike, alongside Labour MPs who threw their ideals and principles in the bin.

 

Tony Bliar was, I thought, the acceptable face of Socialism (to the Tory voter) with the hard core Labour MPs in the background, with genuine, fair , policies.

 

Treacherous scum who are far worse than any right wing Tory, who stands up for what they believe in (not that I could ever vote for them).

[DHutch]

On the locking fuel caps. JCBs have an interesting lock on theres.

- The mouth of the tank is just a threaded tube, and the cap is two parts. And inner and an outer.

- The inner screws on to the thread fairly tightly when locked to the outer. Then the key removed and the out spins free.

 

Its basicaly the same principle as a medicene bottle lid, only using a key turned half a turn to lock the two parts together.

But if you had one the right size, or a filler the right size to match (large) then you dont need anything else special at all.

Obvously JCB buy them in, so they may be comertialy available, possably in a range of sizes, all ready. Opertunity for someone?

 

 

Daniel

[arlow11]

look on ebay they did have a mesh insert like for a sink but simply will not allow a hose down the tanks hole,you could silicone it in to reduce the chance of stuff falling in the tank

[Tiger]

Monday morning a fellow boater asked if i had seen anyone with a couple of jerry cans as he had been the victim of theft during the night, he had lost two jerry cans of 30litre each containg some petrol but thought he had got away light as they were after his generator but didnt manage to lift that from the boat.

 

Am I reading this right? This guy was carrying 60 litres of petrol on his boat whoever nicked it probably saved the guys life! I'm staggered

 

Tiger.

[FadeToScarlet]

I'm sure someone has posted this somewhere, but just switch the labels on the pumpout and fuel tank...

[redfastlad]

Am I reading this right? This guy was carrying 60 litres of petrol on his boat whoever nicked it probably saved the guys life! I'm staggered

 

Tiger.

Did i actually say 60litres of fuel !!!! some of you lot just love to be pedantic to the limit of credibility grow up take the main point of the posting as a warning dont try to be some kind of university smart arse who can think up the most obscure point that no other reasonable boater would ever dream of!